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RE: Roadster seat backrest (rebuild).

To: "Jeff Webster" <carfindr@tiac.net>, Morgans@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: Roadster seat backrest (rebuild).
From: Steve Moore <steve.moore@tag.csiro.au>
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 08:57:09 +1000
The bench seat in my 1973 4/4 (must have been one of the last ones made
without bucket seats) are much simpler than this. I dont recall any of the
cross members and strengtheners. There were two metal pieces on either edge
contoured to allow the seat back top clear the inner wheel arches. I took a
different approach when the stitching started to give way. I put the old
seat away somewhere safe and made another but with foam padding rather than
the coil springs. This I covered with leather trimmed the same as the old
seat. Why, you might ask, forego all that nice olde style upholstery with
the Edwardian coil springs and horse hair? Two simple reasons.

1. The seat is now 3 inches less thick than the old one. This translates
into arm and leg room.

2. I was able to contour the foam to give some lumbar support. Something I
appreciated on a recent 1000+ mile round trip between Brisbane and Sydney.

All in all the cost was quite reasonable, I still have the original seat
for future reference and my back loves me for it. I'm still looking for
blow up inserts as mine are getting pretty old. Without wishing to inflame
further debate I find the price asked at certain parts establishments
somewhat beyond my reach. Has anyone tried a camping supply store for these?

Cheers

Steve Moore



>Dear All,
>I thought I'd post this letter so it may end up in the archives. Here is
>some valuable information regarding the bench seat back rest of an early
>'high-cowl' roadster. This information may also be useful to those with the
>low body style.
>I have had the opportunity to remove the leather coverings from my roadster
>backrest as I had intended on replacing the wooden part as mine had rotted
>(not to mention the leather). The idea was to have a new wood backrest made
>and ready to go when I took it to the upholsterer.
>WELL, This was not to be. THE BACKREST IS A COMPLICATED AFFAIR.
>It is not something that can be made out of a sheet of half inch plywood,
>and I'll tell you why.
>Firstly, the original is made up from four different shaped/sized pieces of
>wood, it has 19 springs (9 large ones and 10 small) that are attached in
>different areas of the back. Moreover some are bent in such a way to give
>that great "old sofa" look to the backrest when it is in the car.
>I would STRONGLY suggest that if your back rest is shot, you either replace
>it with bucket seats or look for a good used back rest at a swap meet.
>
>However, If you watch Norm Abrams regularly and you are either desperate or
>brave enough to attempt to make a replica - here are the measurements and
>materials you will need.
>Begin with a piece of quarter inch Luan board. It should measure 44'" Wide
>by 21 & 3/4" deep.
>Measuring from left to right, (along the long side) move the tape in 1 &
>1/2" from the left side and make a mark. Then, from that mark, measure 41"
>(this accomodates the notch either side at the top of the back rest,  for
>the hood frame.) This notch extends down from the top, 4 & 1/4" each side in
>a slight curve.
>The overall depth of the backrest is 21 & 3/4". Having marked for the notch
>at the top, measure from the very top of the backrest down the right side 17
>&1/2" and make a mark. (You will now begin to mark the bottom cut out, where
>it bridges the leaf springs and sits on the sills). Measure in 4", down 1 &
>1/2", then in 3", and down 2" to the bottom of the backrest. The total width
>of this notch should be 7 & 1/2".  Now, measure in from the right side edge
>(not from the notch) 19" and put a mark.
>Mirror the above measurements for the two notches on the left side of the
>back.
>At the bottom, in the middle you should end up with two marks about 6"
>apart, this is where the cut out will be for the prop shaft tunnel. It
>should be about 6 & 1/2" high, but it tapers. The best thing to do is set
>your prop shaft tunnel on the back rest and use it as a template, you'll get
>a much more accurate cut, but remember not to make it taller than 7".
>At this stage you should not have made any cuts - everything should just be
>marked though on the Luan board.
>The next step is to take some 1/2" x 3" stock. (you could use 1/2" ply cut
>3" wide). You will need two pieces 38 1/2" long for the top rail and the
>upper base rail, two pieces 22" long for the side rails, one piece 12" long
>for the center rail, one piece cut 7" wide x 38 & 1/2" long for the lower
>base rail.
>Now, turn your Luan back rest over on the floor so that the markings you
>made earlier are facing down. Next lay out your pre cut lengths of 1/2" ply
>as follows:
>First place your two side rails on the outside edges either side, then place
>the 7" wide base rail horizontally between them at the very bottom, directly
>above that place the upper base rail and then place the top rail at the top
>edge. Finally figure and mark the center point of the top and upper base
>rail out, mark it and place the 12" center rail vertically between these two
>points. You now have your basic frame laid out. You need to attach these
>frame pieces to the Luan. I would suggest (now you know how it should look)
>removing them and re-laying them out on the floor in front of you, then
>place the Luan board on top (with your markings facing up) and nail through
>the Luan into the ply wood frame rails, a little glue wouldn't hurt.
>YOU ARE ALMOST FINISHED!
>Once the frame pieces have been nailed to the Luan and the glue has dried,
>take a plane and knock a 45 degree bevel top frame rail, but not so deep
>that you cut into the Luan. Then, with a jig saw, cut out areas we marked
>earlier.
>Once again lay the back rest on the floor, frame side up, as we have two
>more pieces of wood to add. These strengtheners are 23 & 1/2" long, 1 & 1/2"
>wide by 1" deep. They run top to bottom, on their edge, at a slight diagonal
>beginning, (measuring along the top of the backrest)  4" in from the hood
>bow notch on either side - to just inside the notch we cut out for the leaf
>spring shackle. You will see once you lay these on your backrest that you
>will have to notch out these strengtheners so they attach to the Luan in
>some places and frame in others. These pieces have a 45 degree bevel on ALL
>FOUR long edges that will be inside the seat back. In addition the ends are
>cut at 45 degrees so that they taper to create a wedge (2 - 2 1/2" long)
>towards the top and bottom of the seat. These pieces are then attached to
>the back rest with screws from behind.
>There are just two more things you have to do. In the square area of Luan
>that you now see either side of the center rail, drill a 1" air hole in the
>middle. Finally, sand all the outside edges so there is nothing that will
>rip you new leather when it's applied.
>THAT'S IT!!!! You now have a Morgan back rest!
>
>You should be able to re-use the springs from your old back rest. As I
>mentioned earlier, there are 19 ! The two side rails get three large ones
>each as does the center rail, the top row of the larger ones are bent down.
>The square Luan section on each side get five small springs each, in a
>square shape with one in the middle. All protruding frame edges on the
>inside of the seat are covered with horse hair. A good auto upholsterer
>should be able to take it from here.
>
>Good luck!!
>
>Jeff Webster


Stephen S. Moore
Principal Research Scientist
Beef CRC Molecular Genetics Sub Program Leader
CSIRO, Tropical Agriculture
Molecular Animal Genetics Centre
Level 3, Gehrmann Laboratories, Research Road
University of Queensland, St. Lucia, 4072

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