Hi Guys & Gals,
Anytime you have a group larger than one person, odds are you could have a
difference of opinion.
"I like a difference of opinion. It means that everyone is getting involved
& no one feels left out"
-Jimmy Stewart from "Harvey".
I'll answer below. Lest the thread might die!
----- Original Message -----
From: <RCooperman@aol.com>
To: <fkuzyk@cgocable.net>; <DGreimel@aol.com>
Cc: <morgans@autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 1999 11:20 PM
Subject: Re: Parallel Universe (longish)
> Michael hits my concern directly on the head. I do not know Fred Kuzyk at
> all, as I would guess is the case with most of us, and am troubled by his
> unilaterally setting up a web site titled "Morgan Sports Cars
International"
> that is totally controlled by him.
Wrongo, bucko!
Not controlled by me at all! That's the point - any member uploads material
of interest. My only function is to get it started & to "bounce" anyone that
can't resist obscenity or blatant character assassination. It already is
International (check the locales of members). You're right it was
unilateral, tho. Could call that INDIVIDUAL initiative, doing something I
was capable of doing.
We have had zero group input to this
> site. Yet this site sets itself up as a happy home for us and by its name
> purports to represent Morgans Internationally.
Co-Founder of the "Morgan Regalia Collectors' Society", Win Sharples (anyone
know him?), created said society with a world mandate. Read Bowden's book,
page 283, which states: "it is the only true international club". Win did
this with zero group input from this group (or any club) as well (shall we
crucify him?). MSCI is international in the same sense, but not a club - a
community of enthusiasts. It could be a happy home for you, depends on how
lavish your preference in accomodations!
> I know others on this list have set up web sites hosting lotsa Morgan
> material but they have kept them as clearly personal web sites.
It's personal alright. Whatever each person can contribute, when they wish.
Maybe not a lot of material yet from members here, but some persons outside
of this list have made contributions. The examples I posted were meant to
inspire.
> If this
> group is to set up a Morgan web site we should discuss it, agree how it is
to
> be set up and agree on how it should be managed. Otherwise it will become
a
> splinter group and we are too few for splinters.
"Let's send it to a committee. Create a Board. Nominate lots of people (who
have failed to accept)...."
Is it better to sit on our hands & wait for someone to create it? Go ahead.
Create such a thing just for this email group. I'd like to see some
agreement! I hope the MSCI experiment serves as an example. But I don't see
MSCI being mutually inclusive just to the membership here. That concept is
open to ANY individual, ANY club, ANY Mog biz.
The site doesn't need lots of "hits". Maybe not lots of members. Just a few
with some links, photos, articles, calendar dates, etc to share. I don't see
myself as a splinter. A thorn, maybe....
> Fred,
>
> I fail to see how a concern about siphoning off Morgan data onto your
> unilaterally established web site causes you to view it as an attack on
the
> advancement of technology. Broad, rapid and efficient global
communication
> is clearly where we are going and I embrace that wholeheartedly. Please
do
> not assume I am afraid of new technology or I yearn for the simpler good
olde
> days of smoke signals and messengers on horse back.
I actually yearn for the simpler good olde days when enthusiasts simply got
together - open to all (not "members only"), shared info, cameraderie, a
picnic - before there were big clubs, dues, glossy newsletters, rules,
Executives, "gotta make more money" events & plenty o' politics! Check out
the List Quest database for my postings from a year or so ago.
> My goal is that data
> within this ad hoc group flow freely to all corners of the group. To
achieve
> this goal we must work together in determining what we as group want and
how
> best to obtain that goal. Unilaterally setting up a web site that by its
> name purports to represent the universe of Morgan owners does not IMHO
help
> meet that goal.
Figure out what you want. That's your right. Anyone can unilaterally set up
a web site or do anything they wish to do for the freedom of communication &
expression that is our right. Our forefathers, siblings & others have fought
& died for that right! Lest we forget.
> As to setting up a new group "free of all the inherent policy, rules,
> culture, traditions, rituals & politics - of the existing groups." I dare
say
> that is impossible if the group allows human members. This group has its
> unwritten and unstated rules, but it does have rules. It also works well.
You may be right. Human nature is all that. That's why amalgamating a bunch
of existing formal clubs will be a tough go!
> Simply put - This group works, we should be careful how we change it and
we
> should have some loose process for growing the group.
My intent is not to change this group. It is to offer another venue for
input & communication in ways that are limited here or impossible on this
list.
> Now let's get back to Morgan stuff. My dash board has begun to sag a bit
and
> is rubbing on the driver's side door. Makes it hard to open and close the
> door. Anyone have a good (ie simple and cheap) solution?
Richard, file the dashboard!
> Richard Cooperman
> '69 Morgan 4/4 RHD
Fred Kuzyk
Roundel Records MP3 music site:
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Bistro/9044/index.html
Morgan Sports Cars International
http://mycomm.excite.com/mycomm/browse.asp?cid=.4g3TS2kkNzU
Where the membership is free and anyone in the world can post photos, links,
event dates, articles, discussion, files,
& meet for real-time chat on Morgans!
My Morgan Sports Car Club of Canada site:
http://members.xoom.com/msccc/
Cigar Lounge International
http://mycomm.excite.com/mycomm/browse.asp?cid=.lKz8u_R1qmS
Where the membership is free and anyone in the world can post photos, links,
event dates, articles, discussion, files,
& meet for real-time chat on cigars!
Holy Smokes & Southern Ontario Cigar Society site:
http://members.xoom.com/holysmokes/
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