They're going to be in the Toyota Supra from early to mid-eighties up to
1996 and in Celicas at least from around '89 to '96. Performance parts are
plentiful too, most popular being a single (big) turbo manifold conversion.
You can get aftermarket fuel/spark management systems so the original
computer is not essential. A newer programmmable computer like the Accel DFI
(my personal favorite and the one that's in my car) is the ticket to a
successful swap to a newer more smog-friendly engine. Sky's the limit from
there!!
Tim
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David G Shier [SMTP:dshier@rmi.net]
> Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 9:48 AM
> To: Schorn, Tim
> Cc: 'MarkNoakes@aol.com'; oletrucks@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [oletrucks] Mileage/Smog and oletrucks (and the future)
>
> In what vehicles would one find these Toyota engines??
> Dave Shier
> www.mtntown.com
>
>
> "Schorn, Tim" wrote:
>
> > Mark and all,
> > You're right about the new GM I-6, but while we're waiting on
> > availability not to mention performance parts (ie TURBOS), what would
> really
> > make that old truck dance is a Toyota Supra Twin-Turbo I-6 tuned to
> > around...say 600rwhp!!!!! Now keep an open mind about the Oriental thing
> > while you learn this is a truck motor they stole from US back in the
> 60's
> > updated to millenium technology!! You can always swap the valve cover to
> > carbon fibre if you don't like the logo!! YEEEEEEEEEEHAWWWWWWWW!!!!!!
> >
> > Tim in Ft Worth
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: MarkNoakes@aol.com [SMTP:MarkNoakes@aol.com]
> > > Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 5:37 AM
> > > To: oletrucks@autox.team.net
> > > Subject: Re: [oletrucks] Mileage/Smog and oletrucks (and the
> future)
> > >
> > > 1--The Corvette/Camaro/Firebird TPI L98 is a good engine for a truck.
> > > It's
> > > designed more for low end torque, and they're pretty clean. . .I know
> > > someone
> > > in GA that runs a street-prepared class race prepped vette w/o the
> > > catalytic
> > > converters and it still passes the sniffer inspections. I run mine in
> the
> > >
> > > same street-prepared class but have a free flow cat installed. TN
> doesn't
> > >
> > > have sniffer inspections but I assume mine's even cleaner than the guy
> w/o
> > >
> > > the cats. Later EFI vettes, etc went to high rpm engines (LT1, LT4)
> and
> > > moved the torque way up on the curve; I would assume that these
> wouldn't
> > > make
> > > good truck engines. Gas mileage depends as much on transmission and
> final
> > >
> > > gearing, but my 86 vette as modified gets 27 mpg on the highway and
> does
> > > 0-60
> > > in around 6 seconds. At first I was afraid of the complexity of these
> > > engines, but it has proved to be easy to work on. Now if there were
> only
> > > a
> > > good/cheap way to make it look retro. . .
> > >
> > > 2--My wife drives a 97 Jeep Wrangler Sahara with the 4.0 L EFI in-line
> > > six,
> > > and it meets all of the more recent cleaner burn standards. It would
> be a
> > >
> > > relatively easy swap as the physical size is pretty close to the 235,
> but
> > > I
> > > have not been happy with the power, gas mileage, or reliability of
> this
> > > setup
> > > (but then again, my daily driver is the race prepped vette in #1). .
> .but
> > > my
> > > wife loves it so I'm stuck with it.
> > >
> > > 3--Didn't I hear that Chevy was reintroducing an inline six? It would
> be
> > > clean to the latest standards as well.
> > >
> > > Mark Noakes
> > > Knoxville, TN
> > > 58/56 Chevy Suburban 2wd 350 V8 3speed w/OD in progress
> > > 59 GMC Suburban V8/Hydramatic looking for a 1/2 ton NAPCO kit and a
> V8,
> > > destined for straight stock resto
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 1/25/01 6:01:45 PM, jforbes@primenet.com writes:
> > >
> > > << > Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 08:48:33 -0600
> > > > From: bob_keeland@usgs.gov
> > > > Subject: Re: [oletrucks] Mileage/Smog and oletrucks (and the future)
> > > >
> > > > Actually I think that Jim Forbes has done a very good job of tying
> the
> > > > previous thread (that was straying) back to oletrucks. The motor I
> am
> > > > planning to put into my 51 is a mid 60s 283, obviously not an
> > > > environmentally friendly motor as it was produced before smog
> control.
> > > If
> > > > I want to put a more modern, less polluting, environmentally
> friendly
> > > motor
> > > > in my truck, what years should I look at for the donor vehicle?
> > > >
> > > > BobK
> > > > 51 3600 5-window (project)
> > > > 98 RAM (hers)
> > > > 99 HD Sportster
> > > > Arnaudville, LA
> > >
> > > Bob--
> > >
> > > You can use whatever you can get ahold of. If you
> > > want a nice performing engine, with some challenges
> > > to install (specifially the fuel system and the air
> > > intake, among others), try a Chevy Tuned Port 305 or
> > > 350 from a Camaro, Vette, or Firebird from about
> > > 1985 to the early 90s. The truck and passenger car
> > > throttle body injected V-8s from the same era are
> > > also decent engines, just not as performace
> > > oriented...and probably a bit easier to install,
> > > because they don't have the air intake right where
> > > your cooling fan is. The V-6 is also ok, if you get
> > > the big one...4.3 liter. They have been using these
> > > in trucks for a long time, and I think most were
> > > made with throttle body injection, although the
> > > early ones had Quadrajets, which were computer
> > > controlled. I have a TBI 4.3 that I'm planning to
> > > rebuild, although I don't have a home for it yet.
> > > The 4.3 is 3/4 of a 350 V-8, very compact, although
> > > it probably has the same steering/exhaust clearance
> > > problem as putting a V-8 in an AD truck. At 262
> > > cubes, it compares favorably with the big truck 261
> > > straight 6, and should be much easier to find.
> > >
> > > You may also find a fuel injected straight 6 engine
> > > to use, although I think (not sure...) that Chevy
> > > went to the V-6 in trucks when they went to fuel
> > > injection...so I don't think there's a Chevy fuel
> > > injected straight 6 available. F*rd and J**p used
> > > FI straight 6 engines for a long time, they may
> > > still be making them!
> > >
> > > On any fuel injected swap, you'll need the computer,
> > > harness, and all the necessary sensors (some you can
> > > do without, but most are needed). The fuel system
> > > has to be pressurized, the best way is with a custom
> > > tank with an intank pump, but you can use other
> > > methods also...mounting a F*rd type external pump on
> > > the frame will work if you keep the gas tank in the
> > > cab, so it gets good gravity feed to the pump. If
> > > the pump runs out of fuel, even for a short time,
> > > and sucks air, the engine can die. Another method
> > > to feed the pressure pump is to use a small
> > > reservoir that is fed by a normal low pressure
> > > pump. Beware that the fuel injected engines use a
> > > bypass pressure regulator, and require a return
> > > line, and if you use a reservoir it also needs this
> > > return line running thru it. Port fuel injection
> > > usually requires about 50 psi (although the
> > > regulator knocks it down to 30 to 40 psi), and
> > > throttle body injection requires around 15 psi.
> > > You'll also want to have some understanding of how
> > > the fuel injection system works...there are some
> > > good books out there on doing EFI swaps. There are
> > > also many companies that sell computer harnesses for
> > > engine swaps into older vehicles, so you don't need
> > > to be an electrical wizard, you just need to
> > > understand the basics.
> > >
> > > Or, you can just build the 283 to be clean...put in
> > > a small (short duration) cam, make sure you have PCV
> > > working properly, and if you get it tuned real well
> > > and want to do some experimenting, you might
> > > consider putting a catalytic converter on it...but
> > > beware there is a fire danger, they can get very hot
> > > when the engine misfires or runs rich or excessively
> > > lean. Might blow someone's mind to see almost no
> > > hc/co coming out the tailpipe of your 51...
> > >
> > > Jim F
> > > 59s in AZ
> > > oletrucks is devoted to Chevy and GM trucks built between 1941 and
> 1959
> > > oletrucks is devoted to Chevy and GM trucks built between 1941 and
> 1959
> > oletrucks is devoted to Chevy and GM trucks built between 1941 and 1959
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