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Re: [Spridgets] half shaft retainer

To: derf247@gmail.com, spridgets@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] half shaft retainer
From: Daniel1312@aol.com
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 14:44:32 EDT
Maybe being a Brit I replace a Z with an S as a matter of course.

The fact you might be able to use a Phillips screwdriver on a Pozidrive screw 
without damaging it doesn't make it corrrect, right, or good practice.  
However, the issue is that to recommend something that in fact is wrong because 
it 
works for you, isn't necessarily helpful.  When I first got my Sprite a very 
long time ago there were a lot of chewed up Pozidrive fasteners on it so I 
guess you weren't the PO and the PO lacked your 'touch'.  In fact when my car 
goes 
to the body/paint shop they generally chew up the Pozidrive screws without 
fail and they are professionals.  Nowdays they leave the strip and rebuilt to 
me 
so I don't need to replace their handiwork.

I't's not a FACT you can do a perfectly good job that you use a Phillips 
screwdriver to undo a Pozidrive screw.  It might be a fact that Derf can do a 
perfectly good job undoing a Pozidriver screw with a Phillips screwdriver 
providing that a PO hasn't chewed it up first.  The two statements are not the 
same 
nor is it semantics.

If someone is new to working on their own car the last thing they need is to 
learn how to use the wrong tool without damaging their fastners at the cost of 
chewing up a lot of fastners.  I think it was a simple thing for me to point 
out the difference and put someone on the right track without a huge debate 
about how being wrong can be Ok.

Time for Ed to post a URL to his web page???

Regards

Daniel1312

In a message dated 10/06/07 19:30:38 GMT Daylight Time, derf247@gmail.com 
writes:


> 
> I think I answered the original question in my original post to this thread:
> 
> "There should be one Philips screw that retains the drum and two
> similar screws that hold the axle shaft to the hub, IIRC.
> It will work without the 3 screws.
> Cheers,
> Derf"
> 
> Please substitute "Posidrive" in place of "Phillips" for correctness.
> Touche!(2-shay!)
> 
> I'll bet I could do 100 brake jobs and not destroy any fasteners in
> the process.  But, I've been around tools and cars literally my entire
> life.  You gain a certain "feel" for fasteners and such that I'm sure
> many other listers have.  That "feel" comes from experience.  I know
> how much torque I can put on those screws before they start to become
> damaged.  I know about how much torque is required to do the job of
> those fasteners.  Unfortunately, no one can transfer the "feel" or
> experience to others via this list.
> Facts:
> Posidrive is the correct term, and the correct tool to use for those 
> fasteners.
> If you don't have a Posidrive driver, you can do perfectly good brake
> jobs with a Phillips driver, once or ten times, if you do it right.
> You should always use the proper tool for the job.
> 
> Now, we can start a new thread for the argument for/against positive
> rear camber on solid axles and/or why sequential port injection is
> useless, proper oil pressure, etc.  Even if I lose an argument, I
> learn something.  Next time someone asks about those fasteners, I'll
> be SURE to type Posidrive.  Maybe I can get my spell checker to flag
> "Phillips" and recommend Posidrive.
> 
> And, BTW, it isn't Posidrive, it is Pozidriv.
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