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Re: [Spridgets] 995 Huffaker race engine question

To: Rick Fisk <refisk@chartermi.net>
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] 995 Huffaker race engine question
From: Andrew Hardie via Spridgets <spridgets@autox.team.net>
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2015 19:21:23 -0600
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The Paul A kit really wasn't a kit. Just some detailed instructions, a 1/8" d=
rill, some cellophane and JB Weld and the requirement for a steady hand and a=
 good eye.

Gerard has "fine tuned" the rear seal kit offered by other vendors by keepin=
g a gallery in his replacement eyebrow piece, unlike the "other guys". The e=
yebrow piece still needs to be accurately placed with even clearance all aro=
und.=20
Paul's JB Weld trick worked well in theory, but could only ever be as good a=
s the hands doing the very finicky work.
An even clearance of .0015 to .003 is the key whatever method you use, and w=
hether or not you then add a seal kit.

Andy

Sent from my iPad

> On Mar 30, 2015, at 6:12 PM, Rick Fisk via Spridgets <spridgets@autox.team=
.net> wrote:
>=20
> Don't think anyone is doing the Paul A. kit anymore.  Gerard has a very ni=
ce rear seal kit that actually uses a seal.  I haven't tried one, but it's s=
upposed to be very good.=20
>=20
> Sent from my keyboard
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>> On Mar 30, 2015, at 6:48 PM, Ron Soave via Spridgets <spridgets@autox.tea=
m.net> wrote:
>>=20
>> I use the JB Weld fix (Paul A., now Gerard?). 5 years, no leaks. 13:1 cr.=
 It leaked massively before that. Seal fixed the problem in 24 hours.=20
>>=20
>> Ron Soave
>>=20
>>> On Mar 30, 2015, at 4:27 PM, "bmwwxman . via Spridgets" <spridgets@autox=
.team.net> wrote:
>>>=20
>>> Once more....   There is NO rear mail seal in this engine!  It has a scr=
oll seal (unless it has been aftermarket upgraded with either the Mo$$ motor=
s kit or the Mini Mania kit.  Both of these kits are relatively new items). =
  Here's a 12 minute video which describes the Mini Mania kit installation a=
nd removal of the old scroll seal.  It is impossible to install the scroll s=
eal backwards. You are thinking of some other engine.
>>>=20
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DbnOPAlVDcME
>>>=20
>>> Cheers!!
>>> Jim
>>>=20
>>>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 3:46 PM, WFO Herb via Spridgets <spridgets@auto=
x.team.net> wrote:
>>>> Sounds like the rear main seal is in 'backwards'.
>>>> Herb
>>>>=20
>>>>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:16 AM, lotuspilot--- via Spridgets <spridget=
s@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Guys and Gals,
>>>>>=20
>>>>> I just rebuilt a Huffaker race engine that had been stored away for de=
cades.  I started it after the rebuild and all looked well after I discovere=
d that I had the distributor drive gear in 180 out.  That took me a while to=
 figure out until I replaced all of the plug wires 1 went to 4 and 4 went to=
 1 and 3 to 2 and 2 to 3.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Ok.  Here is my real question after running for about 20 minutes with v=
arying engine speed, I noticed that about a quart and a half of oil decided i=
t didn't wish to stay in the engine any longer and was being deposited on th=
e driveway by way of the hole in the bottom of the transmission.  What happe=
ned here?  What should I check?
>>>>>=20
>>>>> By the way, the engine is running 11.5 :1 compression and all so high c=
ompression.  It sounded spectacular.  I am dying to drive it once I get you a=
ll to give me some idea of what may have happened.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Thanks a bunch for all of your thoughts.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Mike C
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>The Paul A kit really wasn't a kit. Ju=
st some detailed instructions, a 1/8" drill, some cellophane and JB Weld and=
 the requirement for a steady hand and a good eye.</div><div><br></div><div>=
Gerard has "fine tuned" the rear seal kit offered by other vendors by keepin=
g a gallery in his replacement eyebrow piece, unlike the "other guys". The e=
yebrow piece still needs to be accurately placed with even clearance all aro=
und.&nbsp;</div><div>Paul's JB Weld trick worked well in theory, but could o=
nly ever be as good as the hands doing the very finicky work.</div><div>An e=
ven clearance of .0015 to .003 is the key whatever method you use, and wheth=
er or not you then add a seal kit.</div><div><br></div><div>Andy</div><div><=
br>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On Mar 30, 2015, at 6:12 PM, Rick Fisk vi=
a Spridgets &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.net";>spridgets@autox.=
team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><meta ht=
tp-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8"><div>Don't t=
hink anyone is doing the Paul A. kit anymore. &nbsp;Gerard has a very nice r=
ear seal kit that actually uses a seal. &nbsp;I haven't tried one, but it's s=
upposed to be very good.&nbsp;<br><br>Sent from my keyboard</div><div><br>On=
 Mar 30, 2015, at 6:48 PM, Ron Soave via Spridgets &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:spr=
idgets@autox.team.net">spridgets@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div>=
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"=
text/html; charset=3Dutf-8"><div>I use the JB Weld fix (Paul A., now Gerard?=
). 5 years, no leaks. 13:1 cr. It leaked massively before that. Seal fixed t=
he problem in 24 hours.&nbsp;</div><div><br>Ron Soave</div><div><br>On Mar 3=
0, 2015, at 4:27 PM, "bmwwxman . via Spridgets" &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:spridg=
ets@autox.team.net">spridgets@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><bl=
ockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Once more.... &nbsp; There is N=
O rear mail seal in this engine!&nbsp; It has a scroll seal (unless it has b=
een aftermarket upgraded with either the Mo$$ motors kit or the Mini Mania k=
it.&nbsp; Both of these kits are relatively new items). &nbsp; Here's a 12 m=
inute video which describes the Mini Mania kit installation and removal of t=
he old scroll seal.&nbsp; It is impossible to install the scroll seal backwa=
rds. You are thinking of some other engine.<div><br></div><div><a href=3D"ht=
tps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DbnOPAlVDcME">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=
=3DbnOPAlVDcME</a><br><div><br></div><div>Cheers!!<br>Jim</div></div></div><=
div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 30, 201=
5 at 3:46 PM, WFO Herb via Spridgets <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:spridgets@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">spridgets@autox.team.net</a>&gt=
;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .=
8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Sounds lik=
e the rear main seal is in 'backwards'.<div>Herb</div></div><div class=3D"gm=
ail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:16 AM, l=
otuspilot--- via Spridgets <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:spridgets=
@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">spridgets@autox.team.net</a>&gt;</span> w=
rote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border=
-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style=3D"color:#000;backgro=
und-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Luci=
da Grande,sans-serif;font-size:12px"><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Guys and Gals,</div=
><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">I just rebuilt a Huffaker race e=
ngine that had been stored away for decades.&nbsp; I started it after the re=
build and all looked well after I discovered that I had the distributor driv=
e gear in 180 out.&nbsp; That took me a while to figure out until I replaced=
 all of the plug wires 1 went to 4 and 4 went to 1 and 3 to 2 and 2 to 3.</d=
iv><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Ok.&nbsp; Here is my real que=
stion after running for about 20 minutes with varying engine speed, I notice=
d that about a quart and a half of oil decided it didn't wish to stay in the=
 engine any longer and was being deposited on the driveway by way of the hol=
e in the bottom of the transmission.&nbsp; What happened here?&nbsp; What sh=
ould I check?</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">By the way, t=
he engine is running 11.5 :1 compression and all so high compression.&nbsp; I=
t sounded spectacular.&nbsp; I am dying to drive it once I get you all to gi=
ve me some idea of what may have happened.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><=
div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks a bunch for all of your thoughts.</div><div dir=3D"lt=
r"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Mike C</div></div></div><br>------------------=
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