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Re: [Spridgets] Engine Break-in

To: Hal Faulkner <frog.aye@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Engine Break-in
From: Michael Rowe via Spridgets <spridgets@autox.team.net>
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2015 18:46:29 -0500
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>What is the state of tune of the engine?

It has been bored, ported, big valves, roller rockers, and a "warm" Elgin cam.  
Initially it had an old HIF44 carb from a Harley (chrome on chrome in chrome), 
rebuilt by Joe Curto (I assume with the proper needle), and a 123 distributor. 
But when I was unable to start it with everything new, I reverted to the older, 
proven, distributor and carbs.  Only today I remembered that the previous 
engine was a 1098.  It was built by Frank and Frankie and ran perfectly until 
it developed a fatal knock.  

Unfortunately, we have been travelling for  three months (13,000 miles to 
Alaska and back!), and I have forgotten some of what I did before (old age).  
So I have started over checking all he specs.  I found the rockers set at 0.010 
in., when the cam probably wants 0.015-6 in. = 0.40mm.  Don't know how much 
that might inhibit starting.  It now fires, but can't continue.

All suggestions welcome.
Michael Rowe

----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Hal Faulkner via Spridgets 
  Cc: spridgets 
  Sent: Friday, November 06, 2015 2:37 PM
  Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Engine Break-in


  Michael,


  What is the state of tune of the engine?  The larger engine will most likely 
need different needles.  Vizard gives some suggestions for needles to be used 
in engines in differing states of tune. If the engine is stock you should be 
able to use the needles that are stock for a 1275.  Careful break-in and 
reading of the plugs could be important.

  Hal



  On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 11:00 AM, Michael Rowe via Spridgets 
<spridgets@autox.team.net> wrote:

    I just remebered that the "formerly working perfecty" carbs I am using to 
start my new 1275 engine were on a 1098 engine.  What does that imply for 
adjustment on this larger engine?  Should they still be set initially at +12 
flats?  I do have a suggestion of flooding, but that could be from poor firing.

    Michael Rowe
    Holy Sprite

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<DIV>&gt;What is the state of tune of the engine?</DIV>
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valves,&nbsp;roller=20
rockers,&nbsp;and a "warm" Elgin cam.&nbsp; Initially it had an =
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Curto (I=20
assume with the proper needle), and a 123 distributor. But when I was =
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start it with everything new, I reverted to the older, proven, =
distributor and=20
carbs.&nbsp; Only today I remembered that the previous engine was a =
1098.&nbsp;=20
It was&nbsp;built by Frank and Frankie and ran perfectly until it =
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fatal knock.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Unfortunately, we have been travelling for&nbsp; =
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months (13,000 miles to&nbsp;Alaska and back</FONT><FONT =
face=3DArial>!), and I=20
have forgotten some of what I did before (old age).&nbsp; So I have =
started over=20
checking all he specs.&nbsp; I found the rockers set at 0.010 in., when =
the cam=20
probably wants 0.015-6 in.&nbsp;=3D 0.40mm.&nbsp; Don't know how much =
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inhibit starting.&nbsp; It now fires, but can't continue.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>All suggestions welcome.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Michael Rowe</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV>Michael,<BR><BR></DIV>What is the state of tune of the =
engine?&nbsp; The=20
  larger engine will most likely need different needles.&nbsp; Vizard =
gives some=20
  suggestions for needles to be used in engines in differing states of =
tune. If=20
  the engine is stock you should be able to use the needles that are =
stock for a=20
  1275.&nbsp; Careful break-in and reading of the plugs could be=20
  important.<BR></DIV>Hal<BR></DIV>
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  <DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 11:00 AM, Michael Rowe =
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    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I just remebered that the "formerly working =
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    What does that imply for adjustment on this larger engine?&nbsp; =
Should they=20
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    flooding, bu</FONT><FONT face=3DArial>t that could be from poor=20
    firing.</FONT></DIV>
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