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Re: [Spridgets] Tubular pushrods - Re: Head Stud Torque Setting

To: Michael MacLean <rrengineer.mike@att.net>
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Tubular pushrods - Re: Head Stud Torque Setting
From: Ron Soave via Spridgets <spridgets@autox.team.net>
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 16:36:17 -0600
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The end is exciting.=20

Ron Soave

> On Nov 28, 2015, at 4:23 PM, Michael MacLean <rrengineer.mike@att.net> wro=
te:
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> 8000 rpm!  I'm guessing you have straps on your main caps and very good tr=
i-metal bearings for the crank.  At that rpm my engine would probably come a=
part.  It does rev up to 6K quite readily as it has broken in though.
> Mike MacLean=20
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> On Saturday, November 28, 2015 12:09 PM, Ron Soave <soavero@yahoo.com> wro=
te:
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> Good call on the stock pushrods, Mike. Even with clearance-ing  of holes, t=
here is no real reason to use tubular pushrods. I've had them bend just as r=
eadily as stock ones. I've had the same stock pushrods in my now 10+ year ol=
d race engine for seven years without any issues. The benefits of good oilin=
g outweigh any marginal benefits the tubular ones offer. I assure you I am b=
eating my motor harder than just about anyone on the list. Redline oil and p=
roper clearances are key to extended life at 8000 RPM
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> Ron Soave
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>> On Nov 28, 2015, at 12:47 PM, Michael MacLean via Spridgets <spridgets@au=
tox.team.net> wrote:
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>> I will check the rocker bushings, but there is only a few thousand miles o=
n the rocker assembly since the 1275 was built a few years ago.  They are hi=
gh ratio (1.5) rockers, but I don't think there is that much wear on them ye=
t.  The very first time I put oil in the engine, the oil would fill the valv=
e cover before it would eventually drain down in the block.  When I built th=
is engine I went kinda crazy trying to lighten the valve train and installed=
 hollow pushrods. Besides, they don't flex or bend.  The problem is the hole=
s that the pushrods pass through were enlarged, but apparently not large eno=
ugh for oil to easily pass by.
>> Mike MacLean
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>> On Saturday, November 28, 2015 10:01 AM, Peter Caldwell <peter@nosimport.=
com> wrote:
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>> And while loose, you can wiggle the rockers to feel if maybe those bushin=
gs are worn, which can be another reason the head gets flooded with oil
>>=20
>>> On 11/28/2015 11:53 AM, rrengineer.mike wrote:
>>=20
>> "Palm to forehead",  why didn't I think of that?  Thanks Peter for saving=
 me all that work. Besides, I would have to figure out how my new electronic=
 works.
>> Mike MacLean
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>> Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S=C2=AE 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
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>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Peter Caldwell <peter@nosimport.com>=20
>> Date: 11/28/2015 9:38 AM (GMT-08:00)=20
>> To: "rrengineer.mike" <rrengineer.mike@att.net>, spridgets@autox.team.net=
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>> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Head Stud Torque Setting=20
>>=20
>> In those desperate times at a race, you loosen adjusting nuts and slide t=
he rocker to the side, unless you have solid spacers.
>>=20
>>> On 11/28/2015 11:27 AM, rrengineer.mike wrote:
>>=20
>> I am not pulling the head. I may be wrong, but I have to remove the head S=
tud nuts on the pedastals to lift the rocker assembly off the engine to repl=
ace the pushrods.  I'm thinking the other stud nuts have to be loosened also=
 to re-torque the head properly. Is there another way to replace the pushrod=
s without loosening all the head nuts in sequence?
>> Mike MacLean
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>> Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S=C2=AE 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>>=20
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>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Peter Caldwell via Spridgets <spridgets@autox.team.net>=20
>> Date: 11/28/2015 6:30 AM (GMT-08:00)=20
>> To: spridgets@autox.team.net=20
>> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Head Stud Torque Setting=20
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>> Why pull the head at all?
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>> Peter Caldwell
>> World Wide Auto Parts of Madison WI
>> 2517 Seiferth Rd
>> Madison  WI  53716
>> (608)223-9400
>> www.nosimport.com
>> http://stores.ebay.com/worldwideimportautoparts
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>> Peter Caldwell
>> World Wide Auto Parts of Madison WI
>> 2517 Seiferth Rd
>> Madison  WI  53716
>> (608)223-9400
>> www.nosimport.com
>> http://stores.ebay.com/worldwideimportautoparts
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>> Peter Caldwell
>> World Wide Auto Parts of Madison WI
>> 2517 Seiferth Rd
>> Madison  WI  53716
>> (608)223-9400
>> www.nosimport.com
>> http://stores.ebay.com/worldwideimportautoparts
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div><a href=3D"http://youtu.be/MdHLqREbyLc=
">http://youtu.be/MdHLqREbyLc</a></div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature"><br></=
div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature">The end is exciting.&nbsp;<br><br>Ron Soa=
ve</div><div><br>On Nov 28, 2015, at 4:23 PM, Michael MacLean &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:rrengineer.mike@att.net";>rrengineer.mike@att.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br><=
br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div style=3D"color:#000; background=
-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:1=
6px"><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1448748321585_21759" dir=3D"ltr">8000 rpm!&nbsp=
; I'm guessing you have straps on your main caps and very good tri-metal bea=
rings for the crank.&nbsp; At that rpm my engine would probably come apart.&=
nbsp; It does rev up to 6K quite readily as it has broken in though.<br></di=
v><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1448748321585_21760" dir=3D"ltr">Mike MacLean&nbsp=
; </div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1448748321585_21810"><span></span></div> <br=
><div class=3D"qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div style=3D"display: block;" c=
lass=3D"yahoo_quoted"> <div style=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york,=
 times, serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div style=3D"font-family: HelveticaNeue, H=
elvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;=
"> <div dir=3D"ltr"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> On Saturday, November 2=
8, 2015 12:09 PM, Ron Soave &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:soavero@yahoo.com";>soavero=
@yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></font></div> <blockquote style=3D"border-left:=
 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; padding-left=
: 5px;"> <br><br> <div class=3D"y_msg_container"><div id=3D"yiv1866794657"><=
div><div>Good call on the stock pushrods, Mike. Even with clearance-ing &nbs=
p;of holes, there is no real reason to use tubular pushrods. I've had them b=
end just as readily as stock ones. I've had the same stock pushrods in my no=
w 10+ year old race engine for seven years without any issues. The benefits o=
f good oiling outweigh any marginal benefits the tubular ones offer. I assur=
e you I am beating my motor harder than just about anyone on the list. Redli=
ne oil and proper clearances are key to extended life at 8000 RPM<br clear=3D=
"none"><br clear=3D"none">Ron Soave</div><div class=3D"yiv1866794657yqt12599=
98570" id=3D"yiv1866794657yqt71265"><div><br clear=3D"none">On Nov 28, 2015,=
 at 12:47 PM, Michael MacLean via Spridgets &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D=
"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D=
"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.net";>spridgets@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br=
 clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div=
 style=3D"color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:times new roman, new y=
ork, times, serif;font-size:16px;"><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv1866794657yui_3=
_16_0_1_1448735926361_3088">I will check the rocker bushings, but there is o=
nly a few thousand miles on the rocker assembly since the 1275 was built a f=
ew years ago.&nbsp; They are high ratio (1.5) rockers, but I don't think the=
re is that much wear on them yet.&nbsp; The very first time I put oil in the=
 engine, the oil would fill the valve cover before it would eventually drain=
 down in the block.&nbsp; When I built this engine I went kinda crazy trying=
 to lighten the valve train and installed hollow pushrods. Besides, they don=
't flex or bend.&nbsp; The problem is the holes that the pushrods pass throu=
gh were enlarged, but apparently not large enough for oil to easily pass by.=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Mike MacLean<br clear=3D"none"></div> <br clear=3D"no=
ne"><div class=3D"yiv1866794657qtdSeparateBR"><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D=
"none"></div><div class=3D"yiv1866794657yahoo_quoted" style=3D"display:block=
;"> <div style=3D"font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-s=
ize:16px;"> <div style=3D"font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helveti=
ca, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div dir=3D"ltr"><fon=
t size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> On Saturday, November 28, 2015 10:01 AM, Peter C=
aldwell &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:peter@nosim=
port.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:peter@nosimport.com";>peter@nosimp=
ort.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"></font></div> <blockquote style=3D"=
border-left:2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255);margin-left:5px;margin-top:5px;paddin=
g-left:5px;"> <br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"> <div class=3D"yiv186679=
4657y_msg_container"><div id=3D"yiv1866794657"><div>
    And while loose, you can wiggle the rockers to feel if maybe those
    bushings are worn, which can be another reason the head gets flooded
    with oil<br clear=3D"none">
    <br clear=3D"none">
    <div class=3D"yiv1866794657moz-cite-prefix">On 11/28/2015 11:53 AM, rren=
gineer.mike
      wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
      </blockquote></div><div><div>"Palm to forehead", &nbsp;why didn't I th=
ink of that? &nbsp;Thanks
        Peter for saving me all that work. Besides, I would have to
        figure out how my new electronic works.</div>
      <div>Mike MacLean</div>
      <div><br clear=3D"none">
      </div>
      <div><br clear=3D"none">
      </div>
      <div><br clear=3D"none">
      </div>
      <div id=3D"yiv1866794657composer_signature">
        <div style=3D"font-size:85%;color:#575757;">Sent via the Samsung
          GALAXY S=C2=AE 5, an AT&amp;T 4G LTE smartphone</div>
      </div>
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      <br clear=3D"none">
      -------- Original message --------<br clear=3D"none">
      From: Peter Caldwell <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" class=3D"yiv18=
66794657moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto=3D"mailto:peter@nosimport.com"; target=
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/a> <br clear=3D"none">
      Date: 11/28/2015 9:38 AM (GMT-08:00) <br clear=3D"none">
      To: "rrengineer.mike" <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" class=3D"yiv1=
866794657moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto=3D"mailto:rrengineer.mike@att.net"; t=
arget=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:rrengineer.mike@att.net";>&lt;rrengineer.mike=
@att.net&gt;</a>,
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abbreviated" ymailto=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" h=
ref=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.net";>spridgets@autox.team.net</a> <br cle=
ar=3D"none">
      Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Head Stud Torque Setting <br clear=3D"none">
      <br clear=3D"none">
      In those desperate times at a race, you loosen adjusting nuts and
      slide the rocker to the side, unless you have solid spacers.<br clear=3D=
"none">
      <br clear=3D"none">
      <div class=3D"yiv1866794657moz-cite-prefix">On 11/28/2015 11:27 AM,
        rrengineer.mike wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
      </div>
      <blockquote type=3D"cite">
        </blockquote></div><div><div>I am not pulling the head. I may be wro=
ng, but I have to
          remove the head Stud nuts on the pedastals to lift the rocker
          assembly off the engine to replace the pushrods. &nbsp;I'm thinkin=
g
          the other stud nuts have to be loosened also to re-torque the
          head properly. Is there another way to replace the pushrods
          without loosening all the head nuts in sequence?</div>
        <div>Mike MacLean</div>
        <div><br clear=3D"none">
        </div>
        <div><br clear=3D"none">
        </div>
        <div><br clear=3D"none">
        </div>
        <div id=3D"yiv1866794657composer_signature">
          <div style=3D"font-size:85%;color:#575757;">Sent via the Samsung
            GALAXY S=C2=AE 5, an AT&amp;T 4G LTE smartphone</div>
        </div>
        <br clear=3D"none">
        <br clear=3D"none">
        -------- Original message --------<br clear=3D"none">
        From: Peter Caldwell via Spridgets <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect=
" class=3D"yiv1866794657moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto=3D"mailto:spridgets@a=
utox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.net";>&l=
t;spridgets@autox.team.net&gt;</a>
        <br clear=3D"none">
        Date: 11/28/2015 6:30 AM (GMT-08:00) <br clear=3D"none">
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        <br clear=3D"none">
        Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Head Stud Torque Setting <br clear=3D"none"=
>
        <br clear=3D"none">
        Why pull the head at all?<br clear=3D"none">
        <br clear=3D"none">
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Peter Caldwell
World Wide Auto Parts of Madison WI
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