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Re: [Spridgets] Tubular pushrods - Re: Head Stud Torque Setting

To: Ron Soave <soavero@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Tubular pushrods - Re: Head Stud Torque Setting
From: Larry Macy via Spridgets <spridgets@autox.team.net>
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 07:50:09 -0500
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You have to do something about that mirror. It's blocking my view :-)

Nicely done. Certainly appears the 914 was either over his skill, or over hi=
s car.=20

Larry

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Larry B. Macy, Ph.D.

Use two fingers, it sends a better message - Peace

Sent from my Magical iPad

> On Nov 28, 2015, at 5:36 PM, Ron Soave via Spridgets <spridgets@autox.team=
.net> wrote:
>=20
> http://youtu.be/MdHLqREbyLc
>=20
> The end is exciting.=20
>=20
> Ron Soave
>=20
>> On Nov 28, 2015, at 4:23 PM, Michael MacLean <rrengineer.mike@att.net> wr=
ote:
>>=20
>> 8000 rpm!  I'm guessing you have straps on your main caps and very good t=
ri-metal bearings for the crank.  At that rpm my engine would probably come a=
part.  It does rev up to 6K quite readily as it has broken in though.
>> Mike MacLean=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> On Saturday, November 28, 2015 12:09 PM, Ron Soave <soavero@yahoo.com> wr=
ote:
>>=20
>>=20
>> Good call on the stock pushrods, Mike. Even with clearance-ing  of holes,=
 there is no real reason to use tubular pushrods. I've had them bend just as=
 readily as stock ones. I've had the same stock pushrods in my now 10+ year o=
ld race engine for seven years without any issues. The benefits of good oili=
ng outweigh any marginal benefits the tubular ones offer. I assure you I am b=
eating my motor harder than just about anyone on the list. Redline oil and p=
roper clearances are key to extended life at 8000 RPM
>>=20
>> Ron Soave
>>=20
>>> On Nov 28, 2015, at 12:47 PM, Michael MacLean via Spridgets <spridgets@a=
utox.team.net> wrote:
>>>=20
>>> I will check the rocker bushings, but there is only a few thousand miles=
 on the rocker assembly since the 1275 was built a few years ago.  They are h=
igh ratio (1.5) rockers, but I don't think there is that much wear on them y=
et.  The very first time I put oil in the engine, the oil would fill the val=
ve cover before it would eventually drain down in the block.  When I built t=
his engine I went kinda crazy trying to lighten the valve train and installe=
d hollow pushrods. Besides, they don't flex or bend.  The problem is the hol=
es that the pushrods pass through were enlarged, but apparently not large en=
ough for oil to easily pass by.
>>> Mike MacLean
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> On Saturday, November 28, 2015 10:01 AM, Peter Caldwell <peter@nosimport=
.com> wrote:
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> And while loose, you can wiggle the rockers to feel if maybe those bushi=
ngs are worn, which can be another reason the head gets flooded with oil
>>>=20
>>>> On 11/28/2015 11:53 AM, rrengineer.mike wrote:
>>>=20
>>> "Palm to forehead",  why didn't I think of that?  Thanks Peter for savin=
g me all that work. Besides, I would have to figure out how my new electroni=
c works.
>>> Mike MacLean
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S=C2=AE 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> -------- Original message --------
>>> From: Peter Caldwell <peter@nosimport.com>=20
>>> Date: 11/28/2015 9:38 AM (GMT-08:00)=20
>>> To: "rrengineer.mike" <rrengineer.mike@att.net>, spridgets@autox.team.ne=
t=20
>>> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Head Stud Torque Setting=20
>>>=20
>>> In those desperate times at a race, you loosen adjusting nuts and slide t=
he rocker to the side, unless you have solid spacers.
>>>=20
>>>> On 11/28/2015 11:27 AM, rrengineer.mike wrote:
>>>=20
>>> I am not pulling the head. I may be wrong, but I have to remove the head=
 Stud nuts on the pedastals to lift the rocker assembly off the engine to re=
place the pushrods.  I'm thinking the other stud nuts have to be loosened al=
so to re-torque the head properly. Is there another way to replace the pushr=
ods without loosening all the head nuts in sequence?
>>> Mike MacLean
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S=C2=AE 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> -------- Original message --------
>>> From: Peter Caldwell via Spridgets <spridgets@autox.team.net>=20
>>> Date: 11/28/2015 6:30 AM (GMT-08:00)=20
>>> To: spridgets@autox.team.net=20
>>> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Head Stud Torque Setting=20
>>>=20
>>> Why pull the head at all?
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> --=20
>>> Peter Caldwell
>>> World Wide Auto Parts of Madison WI
>>> 2517 Seiferth Rd
>>> Madison  WI  53716
>>> (608)223-9400
>>> www.nosimport.com
>>> http://stores.ebay.com/worldwideimportautoparts
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>>> --=20
>>> Peter Caldwell
>>> World Wide Auto Parts of Madison WI
>>> 2517 Seiferth Rd
>>> Madison  WI  53716
>>> (608)223-9400
>>> www.nosimport.com
>>> http://stores.ebay.com/worldwideimportautoparts
>>>=20
>>> --=20
>>> Peter Caldwell
>>> World Wide Auto Parts of Madison WI
>>> 2517 Seiferth Rd
>>> Madison  WI  53716
>>> (608)223-9400
>>> www.nosimport.com
>>> http://stores.ebay.com/worldwideimportautoparts
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>You have to do something about that mi=
rror. It's blocking my view :-)</div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature"><br></di=
v><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature">Nicely done. Certainly appears the 914 was e=
ither over his skill, or over his car.&nbsp;</div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignat=
ure"><br></div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature">Larry<br><br><div>--</div><div=
><br></div><div>Larry B. Macy, Ph.D.</div><div><span class=3D"Apple-style-sp=
an" style=3D"-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webki=
t-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition=
-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "><br></span></div><div><span st=
yle=3D"-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.294118); -webkit-comp=
osition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.231373);">Use two fingers, it send=
s a better message - Peace</span></div><div><br></div>Sent from my Magical i=
Pad</div><div><br>On Nov 28, 2015, at 5:36 PM, Ron Soave via Spridgets &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.net";>spridgets@autox.team.net</a>&gt; w=
rote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><meta http-equiv=3D"conten=
t-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8"><div><a href=3D"http://youtu.=
be/MdHLqREbyLc">http://youtu.be/MdHLqREbyLc</a></div><div id=3D"AppleMailSig=
nature"><br></div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature">The end is exciting.&nbsp;<=
br><br>Ron Soave</div><div><br>On Nov 28, 2015, at 4:23 PM, Michael MacLean &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rrengineer.mike@att.net";>rrengineer.mike@att.net</a>&gt=
; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div style=3D"color:#00=
0; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, seri=
f;font-size:16px"><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1448748321585_21759" dir=3D"ltr">8=
000 rpm!&nbsp; I'm guessing you have straps on your main caps and very good t=
ri-metal bearings for the crank.&nbsp; At that rpm my engine would probably c=
ome apart.&nbsp; It does rev up to 6K quite readily as it has broken in thou=
gh.<br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1448748321585_21760" dir=3D"ltr">Mike M=
acLean&nbsp; </div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1448748321585_21810"><span></span=
></div> <br><div class=3D"qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div style=3D"display=
: block;" class=3D"yahoo_quoted"> <div style=3D"font-family: times new roman=
, new york, times, serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div style=3D"font-family: Helv=
eticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font=
-size: 16px;"> <div dir=3D"ltr"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> On Saturday=
, November 28, 2015 12:09 PM, Ron Soave &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:soavero@yahoo.=
com">soavero@yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></font></div> <blockquote style=3D"=
border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; p=
adding-left: 5px;"> <br><br> <div class=3D"y_msg_container"><div id=3D"yiv18=
66794657"><div><div>Good call on the stock pushrods, Mike. Even with clearan=
ce-ing &nbsp;of holes, there is no real reason to use tubular pushrods. I've=
 had them bend just as readily as stock ones. I've had the same stock pushro=
ds in my now 10+ year old race engine for seven years without any issues. Th=
e benefits of good oiling outweigh any marginal benefits the tubular ones of=
fer. I assure you I am beating my motor harder than just about anyone on the=
 list. Redline oil and proper clearances are key to extended life at 8000 RP=
M<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">Ron Soave</div><div class=3D"yiv18667=
94657yqt1259998570" id=3D"yiv1866794657yqt71265"><div><br clear=3D"none">On N=
ov 28, 2015, at 12:47 PM, Michael MacLean via Spridgets &lt;<a rel=3D"nofoll=
ow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_bl=
ank" href=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.net";>spridgets@autox.team.net</a>&g=
t; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></div><blockquote type=3D"cit=
e"><div><div style=3D"color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:times new=
 roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;"><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv18=
66794657yui_3_16_0_1_1448735926361_3088">I will check the rocker bushings, b=
ut there is only a few thousand miles on the rocker assembly since the 1275 w=
as built a few years ago.&nbsp; They are high ratio (1.5) rockers, but I don=
't think there is that much wear on them yet.&nbsp; The very first time I pu=
t oil in the engine, the oil would fill the valve cover before it would even=
tually drain down in the block.&nbsp; When I built this engine I went kinda c=
razy trying to lighten the valve train and installed hollow pushrods. Beside=
s, they don't flex or bend.&nbsp; The problem is the holes that the pushrods=
 pass through were enlarged, but apparently not large enough for oil to easi=
ly pass by.</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Mike MacLean<br clear=3D"none"></div> <br c=
lear=3D"none"><div class=3D"yiv1866794657qtdSeparateBR"><br clear=3D"none"><=
br clear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"yiv1866794657yahoo_quoted" style=3D"di=
splay:block;"> <div style=3D"font-family:times new roman, new york, times, s=
erif;font-size:16px;"> <div style=3D"font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Ne=
ue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div dir=3D=
"ltr"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> On Saturday, November 28, 2015 10:01 A=
M, Peter Caldwell &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:p=
eter@nosimport.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:peter@nosimport.com";>pe=
ter@nosimport.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"></font></div> <blockquote=
 style=3D"border-left:2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255);margin-left:5px;margin-top:=
5px;padding-left:5px;"> <br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"> <div class=3D=
"yiv1866794657y_msg_container"><div id=3D"yiv1866794657"><div>
    And while loose, you can wiggle the rockers to feel if maybe those
    bushings are worn, which can be another reason the head gets flooded
    with oil<br clear=3D"none">
    <br clear=3D"none">
    <div class=3D"yiv1866794657moz-cite-prefix">On 11/28/2015 11:53 AM, rren=
gineer.mike
      wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
      </blockquote></div><div><div>"Palm to forehead", &nbsp;why didn't I th=
ink of that? &nbsp;Thanks
        Peter for saving me all that work. Besides, I would have to
        figure out how my new electronic works.</div>
      <div>Mike MacLean</div>
      <div><br clear=3D"none">
      </div>
      <div><br clear=3D"none">
      </div>
      <div><br clear=3D"none">
      </div>
      <div id=3D"yiv1866794657composer_signature">
        <div style=3D"font-size:85%;color:#575757;">Sent via the Samsung
          GALAXY S=C2=AE 5, an AT&amp;T 4G LTE smartphone</div>
      </div>
      <br clear=3D"none">
      <br clear=3D"none">
      -------- Original message --------<br clear=3D"none">
      From: Peter Caldwell <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" class=3D"yiv18=
66794657moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto=3D"mailto:peter@nosimport.com"; target=
=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:peter@nosimport.com";>&lt;peter@nosimport.com&gt;<=
/a> <br clear=3D"none">
      Date: 11/28/2015 9:38 AM (GMT-08:00) <br clear=3D"none">
      To: "rrengineer.mike" <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" class=3D"yiv1=
866794657moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto=3D"mailto:rrengineer.mike@att.net"; t=
arget=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:rrengineer.mike@att.net";>&lt;rrengineer.mike=
@att.net&gt;</a>,
      <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" class=3D"yiv1866794657moz-txt-link-=
abbreviated" ymailto=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" h=
ref=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.net";>spridgets@autox.team.net</a> <br cle=
ar=3D"none">
      Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Head Stud Torque Setting <br clear=3D"none">
      <br clear=3D"none">
      In those desperate times at a race, you loosen adjusting nuts and
      slide the rocker to the side, unless you have solid spacers.<br clear=3D=
"none">
      <br clear=3D"none">
      <div class=3D"yiv1866794657moz-cite-prefix">On 11/28/2015 11:27 AM,
        rrengineer.mike wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
      </div>
      <blockquote type=3D"cite">
        </blockquote></div><div><div>I am not pulling the head. I may be wro=
ng, but I have to
          remove the head Stud nuts on the pedastals to lift the rocker
          assembly off the engine to replace the pushrods. &nbsp;I'm thinkin=
g
          the other stud nuts have to be loosened also to re-torque the
          head properly. Is there another way to replace the pushrods
          without loosening all the head nuts in sequence?</div>
        <div>Mike MacLean</div>
        <div><br clear=3D"none">
        </div>
        <div><br clear=3D"none">
        </div>
        <div><br clear=3D"none">
        </div>
        <div id=3D"yiv1866794657composer_signature">
          <div style=3D"font-size:85%;color:#575757;">Sent via the Samsung
            GALAXY S=C2=AE 5, an AT&amp;T 4G LTE smartphone</div>
        </div>
        <br clear=3D"none">
        <br clear=3D"none">
        -------- Original message --------<br clear=3D"none">
        From: Peter Caldwell via Spridgets <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect=
" class=3D"yiv1866794657moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto=3D"mailto:spridgets@a=
utox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.net";>&l=
t;spridgets@autox.team.net&gt;</a>
        <br clear=3D"none">
        Date: 11/28/2015 6:30 AM (GMT-08:00) <br clear=3D"none">
        To: <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" class=3D"yiv1866794657moz-txt=
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ank" href=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.net";>spridgets@autox.team.net</a>
        <br clear=3D"none">
        Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Head Stud Torque Setting <br clear=3D"none"=
>
        <br clear=3D"none">
        Why pull the head at all?<br clear=3D"none">
        <br clear=3D"none">
        <br clear=3D"none">
        -- <br clear=3D"none">
        Peter Caldwell<br clear=3D"none">
        World Wide Auto Parts of Madison WI<br clear=3D"none">
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        Madison&nbsp; WI&nbsp; 53716<br clear=3D"none">
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Peter Caldwell
World Wide Auto Parts of Madison WI
2517 Seiferth Rd
Madison  WI  53716
(608)223-9400
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Peter Caldwell
World Wide Auto Parts of Madison WI
2517 Seiferth Rd
Madison  WI  53716
(608)223-9400
<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" class=3D"yiv1866794657moz-txt-link-abbrev=
iated" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://www.nosimport.com/";>www.nosimport.co=
m</a>
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