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Listen, kids - understanding "why" is very much the point of the article. Th=
ings are better when there is a purpose, a vision. When we did the Busterclu=
ster, the "why" was never "To restore this Sprite." It was "Pam and Buster w=
ill recreate their first date on Sunday in this car." Microsoft brought its Z=
une MP3 player to market before the iPod and spouted specs, memory, size and=
sound quality in all its advertising. No one really paid attention because t=
hey did not explain "why." Apple came out with the iPad and simply stated "=
4,000 songs on your pocket." Everyone got it.=20
China? Not under my watch. www.kaneyaerospace.com.Made in the USA by people o=
n this list.=20
Ron Soave
> On Jan 20, 2016, at 1:25 PM, Mark Haynes via Spridgets <spridgets@autox.te=
am.net> wrote:
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> Point well taken- Especially the IP factor. Mea Culpa
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> Mark Haynes
> It only goes one way- Pay It Forward
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>> On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 11:43 AM, John Innis <jdinnis@gmail.com> wrote:
>> That is all true, BUT, there is another layer to this. My company has al=
so done business with sub-contractors in China, and I spent some time there g=
etting the subs up to speed on the work they were doing for us. They work w=
e got form them was of acceptable quality, but definitely the minimum possib=
le quality that we could accept. The subs that we worked with did not care i=
f we rejected some product, it was cheaper for them to have rework than to d=
o the work to a higher standard. So we basically had to inspect everything w=
e got from them. The reject rate was definitely much higher than any of the=
other subcontractors we worked with. =20
>>=20
>> Then there is the IP issue. Just about every design that the China-based=
sub worked on for us ended up getting ripped off and marketed by a differen=
t Chinese company shortly after out contract ended. Both companies were own=
ed by the government of China, so it seems likely they deliberately transfer=
red our technology to one of our competitors. Fortunately they did NOT try t=
o sell our design in the US. I am pretty sure we could have stopped them, b=
ut it would have been expensive. =20
>>=20
>>> On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 8:39 AM, Mark Haynes via Spridgets <spridgets@au=
tox.team.net> wrote:
>>> This article is right on point, My brother in-law has traveled to China f=
or business (very astute Engineer BTW) and stated that the Chinese will make=
anything that you want to whatever price/quality point YOU define. They CAN=
make very good tools, but its up to the outsourcing company to tell them wh=
at level of quality they want.
>>> Unfortunately most of the US firms are more concerned with cost to produ=
ce rather than longevity and quality (Are you listening HF?).
>>> JMHO,
>>>=20
>>> Mark Haynes
>>> It only goes one way- Pay It Forward
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>Listen, kids - understanding "why" is v=
ery much the point of the article. Things are better when there is a purpose=
, a vision. When we did the Bustercluster, the "why" was never "To restore t=
his Sprite." It was "Pam and Buster will recreate their first date on S=
unday in this car." Microsoft brought its Zune MP3 player to market before t=
he iPod and spouted specs, memory, size and sound quality in all its adverti=
sing. No one really paid attention because they did not explain "why."  =
;Apple came out with the iPad and simply stated "4,000 songs on your pocket.=
" Everyone got it. </div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div i=
d=3D"AppleMailSignature">China? Not under my watch. <a href=3D"http://www.ka=
neyaerospace.com.made">www.kaneyaerospace.com.Made</a> in the USA by people o=
n this list. <br><br>Ron Soave</div><div><br>On Jan 20, 2016, at 1:25 P=
M, Mark Haynes via Spridgets <<a href=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.net"=
>spridgets@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"ci=
te"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Point well taken- Especially the IP factor. Mea Cu=
lpa<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"all"><div><div class=3D=
"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Mark Haynes<br></div>It only goes on=
e way- Pay It Forward<br></div></div></div>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 11:43 AM, John Innis <=
span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:jdinnis@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">=
jdinnis@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"=
style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><di=
v dir=3D"ltr"><div>That is all true, BUT, there is another layer to this.&nb=
sp; My company has also done business with sub-contractors in China, and I s=
pent some time there getting the subs up to speed on the work they were doin=
g for us. They work we got form them was of acceptable quality, but de=
finitely the minimum possible quality that we could accept. The subs t=
hat we worked with did not care if we rejected some product, it was cheaper f=
or them to have rework than to do the work to a higher standard. So we=
basically had to inspect everything we got from them. The reject rate=
was definitely much higher than any of the other subcontractors we worked w=
ith. <br><br></div>Then there is the IP issue. Just about every d=
esign that the China-based sub worked on for us ended up getting ripped off a=
nd marketed by a different Chinese company shortly after out contract ended.=
Both companies were owned by the government of China, so it seems lik=
ely they deliberately transferred our technology to one of our competitors.&=
nbsp; Fortunately they did NOT try to sell our design in the US. I am p=
retty sure we could have stopped them, but it would have been expensive.&nbs=
p; <br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div>=
<div class=3D"h5">On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 8:39 AM, Mark Haynes via Spridgets=
<span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.net"; target=3D=
"_blank">spridgets@autox.team.net</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div><bloc=
kquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc=
solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class=3D"h5"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div>T=
his article is right on point, My brother in-law has traveled to China for b=
usiness (very astute Engineer BTW) and stated that the Chinese will make any=
thing that you want to whatever price/quality point YOU define. They CAN mak=
e very good tools, but its up to the outsourcing company to tell them what l=
evel of quality they want.<br></div>Unfortunately most of the US firms are m=
ore concerned with cost to produce rather than longevity and quality (Are yo=
u listening HF?).<br></div>JMHO,<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br cle=
ar=3D"all"><div><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Mark Haynes<br></div>It only goes=
one way- Pay It Forward<br></div></div></div>
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