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Things are better when there is a purpose, a vision. When we did the Buster=
cluster, the "why" was never "To restore this Sprite." =C2=A0It was "Pam an=
d Buster will recreate their first date on Sunday in this car." Microsoft b=
rought its Zune MP3 player to market before the iPod and spouted specs, mem=
ory, size and sound quality in all its advertising. No one really paid atte=
ntion because they did not explain "why." =C2=A0Apple came out with the iPa=
d and simply stated "4,000 songs on your pocket." Everyone got it.=C2=A0
China? Not under my watch. www.kaneyaerospace.com.Made in the USA by people=
on this list.=C2=A0
Ron Soave
On Jan 20, 2016, at 1:25 PM, Mark Haynes via Spridgets <spridgets@autox.tea=
m.net> wrote:
Point well taken- Especially the IP factor. Mea Culpa
Mark Haynes
It only goes one way- Pay It Forward
On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 11:43 AM, John Innis <jdinnis@gmail.com> wrote:
That is all true, BUT, there is another layer to this.=C2=A0 My company has=
also done business with sub-contractors in China, and I spent some time th=
ere getting the subs up to speed on the work they were doing for us.=C2=A0 =
They work we got form them was of acceptable quality, but definitely the mi=
nimum possible quality that we could accept.=C2=A0 The subs that we worked =
with did not care if we rejected some product, it was cheaper for them to h=
ave rework than to do the work to a higher standard.=C2=A0 So we basically =
had to inspect everything we got from them.=C2=A0 The reject rate was defin=
itely much higher than any of the other subcontractors we worked with.=C2=
=A0=20
Then there is the IP issue.=C2=A0 Just about every design that the China-ba=
sed sub worked on for us ended up getting ripped off and marketed by a diff=
erent Chinese company shortly after out contract ended.=C2=A0 Both companie=
s were owned by the government of China, so it seems likely they deliberate=
ly transferred our technology to one of our competitors.=C2=A0 Fortunately =
they did NOT try to sell our design in the US.=C2=A0 I am pretty sure we co=
uld have stopped them, but it would have been expensive.=C2=A0=20
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.team.net> wrote:
This article is right on point, My brother in-law has traveled to China for=
business (very astute Engineer BTW) and stated that the Chinese will make =
anything that you want to whatever price/quality point YOU define. They CAN=
make very good tools, but its up to the outsourcing company to tell them w=
hat level of quality they want.
Unfortunately most of the US firms are more concerned with cost to produce =
rather than longevity and quality (Are you listening HF?).
JMHO,
Mark Haynes
It only goes one way- Pay It Forward
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n>Try</span></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453368622505_4721" dir=3D"ltr"><=
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neyaerospace.com.made/" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453368622505_4030" style=3D"col=
or: rgb(25, 106, 212); font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica=
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b(255, 255, 255);" class=3D"">www.kaneyaerospace.com</a><br></div><div id=
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_16_0_1_1453368622505_4721" dir=3D"ltr">The separation after the .com bit i=
s missing in my original message and the required link is not obtainable.</=
div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453368622505_4721" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div =
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3_16_0_1_1453368622505_4721" dir=3D"ltr">Guy R Day </div> <div class=
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ay: block;"> <div style=3D"font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helv=
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ont-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande,=
Sans-Serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir=3D"ltr"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"A=
rial"> On Thursday, 21 January 2016, 2:51, Ron Soave via Spridgets <spri=
dgets@autox.team.net> wrote:<br></font></div> <br><br> <div class=3D"y_=
msg_container"><div id=3D"yiv5034809551"><div><div>Listen, kids - understan=
ding "why" is very much the point of the article. Things are better when th=
ere is a purpose, a vision. When we did the Bustercluster, the "why" was ne=
ver "To restore this Sprite." It was "Pam and Buster will recreate th=
eir first date on Sunday in this car." Microsoft brought its Zune MP3 playe=
r to market before the iPod and spouted specs, memory, size and sound quali=
ty in all its advertising. No one really paid attention because they did no=
t explain "why." Apple came out with the iPad and simply stated "4,00=
0 songs on your pocket." Everyone got it. </div><div id=3D"yiv50348095=
51AppleMailSignature"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div id=3D"yiv5034809551Appl=
eMailSignature">China? Not under my watch. <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rec=
t" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://www.kaneyaerospace.com.made/";>www.kaney=
aerospace.com.Made</a> in the USA by people on this list. <br clear=3D=
"none"><br clear=3D"none">Ron Soave</div><div class=3D"yiv5034809551yqt7212=
341681" id=3D"yiv5034809551yqt03824"><div><br clear=3D"none">On Jan 20, 201=
6, at 1:25 PM, Mark Haynes via Spridgets <<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"r=
ect" ymailto=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"=
mailto:spridgets@autox.team.net";>spridgets@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br=
clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr">Point well taken- Especially the IP factor. Mea Culpa<br clea=
r=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"yiv5034809551gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"all">=
<div><div class=3D"yiv5034809551gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Mark=
Haynes<br clear=3D"none"></div>It only goes one way- Pay It Forward<br cle=
ar=3D"none"></div></div></div>
<br clear=3D"none"><div class=3D"yiv5034809551gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 20, =
2016 at 11:43 AM, John Innis <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a rel=3D"nofollow" shap=
e=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:jdinnis@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"m=
ailto:jdinnis@gmail.com">jdinnis@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br clear=
=3D"none"><blockquote class=3D"yiv5034809551gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 =
0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr"><di=
v>That is all true, BUT, there is another layer to this. My company h=
as also done business with sub-contractors in China, and I spent some time =
there getting the subs up to speed on the work they were doing for us. =
; They work we got form them was of acceptable quality, but definitely the =
minimum possible quality that we could accept. The subs that we worke=
d with did not care if we rejected some product, it was cheaper for them to=
have rework than to do the work to a higher standard. So we basicall=
y had to inspect everything we got from them. The reject rate was def=
initely much higher than any of the other subcontractors we worked with.&nb=
sp; <br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></div>Then there is the IP issue.=
Just about every design that the China-based sub worked on for us en=
ded up getting ripped off and marketed by a different Chinese company short=
ly after out contract ended. Both companies were owned by the governm=
ent of China, so it seems likely they deliberately transferred our technolo=
gy to one of our competitors. Fortunately they did NOT try to sell ou=
r design in the US. I am pretty sure we could have stopped them, but =
it would have been expensive. <br clear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"=
yiv5034809551gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"none"><div class=3D"yiv5034809551gma=
il_quote"><div><div class=3D"yiv5034809551h5">On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 8:39 =
AM, Mark Haynes via Spridgets <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a rel=3D"nofollow" sha=
pe=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" h=
ref=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.net";>spridgets@autox.team.net</a>></s=
pan> wrote:<br clear=3D"none"></div></div><blockquote class=3D"yiv503480955=
1gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding=
-left:1ex;"><div><div class=3D"yiv5034809551h5"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div>=
This article is right on point, My brother in-law has traveled to China for=
business (very astute Engineer BTW) and stated that the Chinese will make =
anything that you want to whatever price/quality point YOU define. They CAN=
make very good tools, but its up to the outsourcing company to tell them w=
hat level of quality they want.<br clear=3D"none"></div>Unfortunately most =
of the US firms are more concerned with cost to produce rather than longevi=
ty and quality (Are you listening HF?).<br clear=3D"none"></div>JMHO,<br cl=
ear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"yiv5034809551gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"all=
"><div><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Mark Haynes<br clear=3D"none"></div>It on=
ly goes one way- Pay It Forward<br clear=3D"none"></div></div></div>
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