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Subject: More on tires
From: nicholsj@oakwood.org
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 97 10:06:59 EST
     

Here is another opinion on tires.

Jeff


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Subject: Reply to Steve, Rich and Jarrid
Author:  GDWF22A@prodigy.com (MR RICHARD T TRENK SR) at INTERNET
Date:    9/11/97 6:03 PM


Steve; the Alpine does have a nice X member frame as well as rails forward 
of the firewall to which the cross member is bolted.
Jacking points were mentioned to you a day ago and this is all correct. 
Also, you can floor jack this car and also position support stands under 
any portion of the lower cross member, lower A frames, side frame members , 
rear axle housing and rear springs themselves.  This car is light and those 
various places can handle the weight without deforming or bending.
Avoid jacking under the thin wall portion of the rocker panels or other 
actual body sheet metal.
I see NO reason not to trust four properly placed stands or supports.
use of drive-on ramps is OK and certainly are solid but they encroach too 
much around the front car area and hamper certain work areas. 
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Rich;  you mentioned using BR60x13 tires with 42 and 45 psi front and 40 
psi rear.   No wonder you slide around a lot !
These are radial tires and as we know, they look somewhat bulged or 
underinflated when set at recommended psi.
The idea of the radial (which makes it so much better than a bias ply tire) 
is that when a radial is inflated PROPERLY, it will not lift it's trear off 
the ground in a hard corner and will instead just keep it's tread hard on 
the ground and allow the side wall to flex over to one side.
A bias ply tire in a hard corner, keeps its sidewall rather straight but 
lifts the tread off the road.
To get a better handle on this, stand up with your shoes a few inches apart 
and just lean your body to one side. The shoes remain flat on the floor but 
if you had ridgid ankles, you would have tipped up or lifted up the outside 
edge of your shoes, like tilting a statue off it's base.
Now....when you air up a radial way too high, you make it act like a bias 
ply tire.  It cannot flex and keep it's "footprint" on the ground properly. 
Also, whenusing too much air, the front-rear length of foot print is 
shortened a lot .  The result of all this is as you alreadu found ! No grip 
and lots of skidding.
By law, tires are marked on the side with their MAXIMUM load carrying 
capacity when aired up to a certain MAXIMUM pressure.  This marking is 
misunderstood by far too many people in the tire and garage business.
The marking represents a max pressure you "could" use if you had to carry a 
max weight on that tire.
A typical text may read: " Max allowable weight 1020 lbs @ 35 psi 
inflation".    This sidewall pressure marking is NOT the pressure you would 
normally inflate the tire to for road use!!!
By law, cars sold here after approx 1972 (?) must display a sticker telling 
the tire pressures (cold temps.) for normal driving and normal loads. If the 
mfr. wants some increase in pressure for heavy loads or high speed driving, 
this must also be on the sticker !
Your BR60x13 certainly won't have normal footprint size nor flexible side 
wall action at the pressures you have used.
I am rusty on this subject but will guess you need around 24 psi front and 
22 psi rear (cold setting) to obtain proper "radial tire grip".  Perhaps 
some reader with current data or tire industry technical book can reply 
here and supply the actual correct data if I am off a bit.
Also be aware....different brand tires as well as different construction 
variations makes for different psi requirements (2 ply, vs. 4 ply , steel 
vs nylon or rayon cord belts etc. etc.).
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