I also took the TAC test along with my young son Jeremy in maryland a while
back.
I was also told that my handwriting was a problem ,but i did not hear a yes or
no
from any one. And my son Jeremy who helped me drive the tiger back from the
west
coast and has a interest in the cars was never notified either . I think that
when people are interested in tigers and they reach out and then get no
response.
That it is a loss to all of us.
chris m williams
Larry Paulick wrote:
> Jan, I have found you to be a very helpful and honest person, in the
> several years that I have dealt with you.
>
> On just several issues, you provided information on chrome companies,
> and historic insurance companies, that I found to be right on the mark,
> and in both cases the only substantive information on either subject.
>
> I have benefited from help from Steve L, Tom Hall, John Logan, Bob
> Palmer, Theo Smit, and many, many others on the lists, who have made my
> total restoration easier, and the car better.
>
> I have been playing around with Tigers since 1969, and this is the
> second Tiger.
>
> Unfortunately, I must agree with you that there are some owners who are
> political, bickering and picky, and do not want people to get together
> and share info.
>
> Tell me why the Clubs could not share Tech articles and info? The only
> response is that they want to retain a unique benefit for their members.
>
> Their real unique benefit is the ability for members to meet face to
> face and enjoy the cars together. This can only be done on a local club
>level.
>
> The internet has circumvented much of the problems of the Clubs getting
> together, and will probable do even more, if the Club Leaders don't do
> anything beyond what they have done so far.
>
> The idea of the United Web site and goal statement is what I support.
>
> In stead of just complaining, I took the TAC course over a year ago,
> when it was offered on the East Coast, finished the test, and am sure
> that I passed with flying colors, but was told that they could not read
> my handwriting.
>
> Well, I said, OK, I will take it again, and it has been over a year, and
> no response from several emails to the TAC group.
>
> The idea of people knowing what is a real Tiger is good, and if it was
> more universally know, than is fine. I did my part to help expand the
> program, and still have not heard from the TAC people, some of which I
> think are in the group Jan has mentioned.
>
> There is no obligation to respond or help, other that the good manners
> of any group, some of which as Jan has mentioned do so only at their own
> convenience and benefit.
>
> This issue can go on forever, or the elected Leaders of each of the
> Clubs can start to get it all together, and help each other.
>
> Leaders know how to get beyond the old problems/people of the past. If
> they don't, time will pass them and the traditional Clubs by.
>
> Larry
>
> Jan Sven-Erik Harde wrote:
> >
> > Dear Dick,
> >
> > I am REALLY surprised at your remarks in this note, as you know I have
> > provided many valuable parts for many years to the Tiger community, and I am
> > quite honest and candid about my items that I sell, and no one has their arm
> > twisted or forced to pay or bid on EBAY...
> > I have NEVER been contacted regarding the rivets by anyone at TAC...
> > I originally submitted them to several of the " IN THE KNOW" persons, who
> > told me what their purpose they served on the Tiger, and they GLADLY
> > accepted FREE samples for their own use.
> >
> > I am a FAIR and reasonable person, I do NOT appreciate being BASHED
> > regarding this issue, if you have a problem regarding this, why did you not
> > call me ??? Or write ??
> >
> > I was certainly contacted when I was going to publish the TIGER
> > authentication manual, with over 100 color detailed pictures, with all the
> > SPECIAL differences, such as the cut brackets, dimples, holes and such,
> > detailing pictures from stripped Alpine/Tiger/Alger chassis, to HELP guys
> > out there...
> > The calls came in FAST & FURIOUS, begging me NOT to do so, and I did NOT,
> > out of respect !!
> > Maybe now it is a valuable item to release !!
> >
> > Dick, I guess I was good enough to provide the parts YOU needed, to complete
> > your Le Mans Coupe, whilst you and Dan Walters were working on it prior to
> > Eureka.
> > And if you remember, I not only gave them to you for "FREE", but I also sent
> > them via FedEx, over night, at MY expense.....!!!!!! ????
> > How quickly we forget !!!!!!!
> >
> > So I am sure this will ruffle feathers all over, and that is the "MAIN AND
> > ONLY" reason that I sold my cars, is that out of ALL the car clubs and car
> > communities that I have been apart of I have "NEVER" met any group as
> > political and bickering and picky, as the Tiger crowd...
> >
> > There are some really GREAT individuals out there, that are as SICK of this
> > as I am, and we have a GREAT relationship still....
> >
> > Warmest Regards & a HAPPY NEW YEAR to all...
> >
> > Jan Harde.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dick Barker" <dickbarker@earthlink.net>
> > To: "S.SAGAN" <nch20buf@nccn.net>
> > Cc: <tigers@autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 1:43 PM
> > Subject: Re: T.R.A.C.
> >
> > > At 12:00 AM 12/25/2000 -0800, you wrote:
> > > >Hello Dick,
> > > >
> > > > Well...I thought I was making a simple inquiry into the use of a
> > > > seemingly legitimate service for
> > > >Tiger owners. Boy, I seemed to have opened a can of worms here. It
> > > >would seem that my curiosity
> > > >concerning the purpose of this service may have been satisfied by the
> > > >responses (or lack thereof) I
> > > >have received from persons involved with it either selling it, buying
> > it,
> > > >or participating on it's
> > > >committee. Sorry for any hassles brought about by my curiosity.
> > > >
> > > >As far as being able to trace I.d. info out of Ebay.. or anywhere else on
> > > >the net, It's in the genes.
> > > >
> > > >S. Sagan
> > > >530.268.3861
> > >
> > >
> > > Steve,
> > >
> > > Thank you for your email regarding T.R.A.C. Sorry to take so long getting
> > > back to you. Your message raises some very legitimate points which I feel
> > > should be answered not only for you, but also for the Tiger community in
> > > general. You'll notice I am therefore including the Tiger "list" on this
> > > reply.
> > >
> > > You have not opened a can of worms. On the contrary, as one of the few
> > > people so far to question the purpose of the T.R.A.C. program, your
> > > curiosity is like a faint ray of hope. Frankly, it would be gratifying if
> > > others applied your analogy and curiosity. Even though you may not
> > realize
> > > it, you have identified one of the program objectives, to wit: Challenge
> > > the legitimacy and authenticity of eBay auctions offering 'Sunbeam Tiger -
> > > Rootes "Rivets" Original' at exorbitant prices.
> > >
> > > As you may know, those expense rivets frequently auctioned on eBay were
> > > never originally installed anywhere on a Sunbeam Tiger. And the
> > suggestion
> > > that some copper service replacements in a Rootes bag could be the final
> > > necessary part of a proper Tiger restoration is ludicrous. Originally the
> > > auction description implied that these rivets were the same as the unique
> > > OEM fasteners used by Rootes to attach the chassis (VIN) plate to Sunbeam
> > > Tigers. But after a challenge to the accuracy of that claim, the
> > > description was modified to the present wording, "....correct rivets that
> > > you are looking for" ".....to complete that special correct
> > > restoration." Further appeals to the seller to properly identify the
> > > rivets have been unsuccessful, so unwary buyers continue to bid AS MUCH AS
> > > $20 PER RIVET for these inappropriate fasteners. And it is all done in
> > > complete secrecy, because these are always private auctions "so as to keep
> > > things 'private'." What could be the purpose of a private auction,
> > unless
> > > it is to conceal something that the buyer and/or seller do not want
> > > known? These auctions have also fostered a misconception about the
> > > replaceability of unique factory rivets so that now some Sunbeam owners
> > > think they are acquiring authentic and valuable products, when they are
> > not.
> > >
> > > The Tiger Rivet Authentication Committee was formed for the purpose stated
> > > above, and to offer a legitimate advisory and counseling service to Tiger
> > > owners actually desiring correct, authoritative information about Rootes
> > > fasteners. (There is more information available on this subject that you
> > > may ever want to know.) An "imitator" auction (also private) offering the
> > > T.R.A.C. service usually appears on eBay immediately following the one for
> > > the bogus rivets, and although the whole thing appears to be a spoof, in
> > > fact, it is not. The information advertised in the T.R.A.C. auction
> > > description is readily available to ANYONE seeking information about
> > Rootes
> > > rivets, and at little or no cost. For those who might otherwise pay a
> > > princely sum for a package of generic fasteners, this could indeed be a
> > > worthwhile and valuable service. Those like myself who staunchly hold
> > this
> > > view help support awareness of the T.R.A.C. program by submitting timely
> > > bids during the eBay auctions.
> > >
> > > Regrettably, few bidders have taken advantage of T.R.A.C. Commendably,
> > > some, like yourself, have finally questioned its purpose, but still may
> > not
> > > understand it completely. Perhaps this background and explanation will
> > > help to clarify your understanding. And if it prevents one unsuspecting
> > > Tiger owner from spending a king's ransom for a package of worthless
> > > rivets, it will have served it purpose.
> > >
> > > Dick Barker
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