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Re: Phony VIN Plate for Alpers

To: Russ Eshelman <RussE@Firstva.com>
Subject: Re: Phony VIN Plate for Alpers
From: Steve Laifman <SLaifman@socal.rr.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 14:46:02 -0800
Russ,

The  "evil side" remains EVIL, and there is a LEGAL remedy, involving 
state pre notification and approval of a substitute VIN upon proof of 
original plate and vehicle.  This is supposed to be done BEFORE you 
remove the original, to assure authenticity.  A substitute legal number 
may issued, or re-installation of original plate authorized.  This is 
done with traceable documentation. Check with your Motor Vehicle 
authority, or legitimate repair shop.

Yes, it probably will NOT match the existing number if you cannot use 
the existing plate for those that just need to refinish (without 
damaging good plate).  A new number is usually assigned if the original 
is unusable. But this is the price you pay for your misfortune, and to 
assure it is not "passed", unknowingly, on to others.  You better have a 
sufficiently legible original plate, and papers, or sufficiently good 
legal documentation to validate all claims.

If you have had the plate of a currently owned and legally registered 
vehicle damaged in an accident, the paper trail exists, and maybe even 
the mangled original ID.   I can not see how you can "lose" a plate that 
is not legally allowed to be removed from the car.   If you are buying 
someone else's horse, you better have a good look in it's mouth, and 
consult the DMV to assure you are not getting a stolen nag.  Checking 
registration is a good idea, on purchase, to assure you are not 
submitting forged ownership proof (paper or metal stampings) to the 
state.   You can have problems now, or when you go to pass it on.

There are risks associated with buying valuable collectible items 
subject to Grand Theft laws, take the care necessary to protect yourself 
from past mistakes.  You do NOT want the item confiscated as stolen, or 
ownership in doubt.  The law is there to protect you from would-be 
thieves.  If you don't think they exist, check auction offerings. My 
condolences to those who find themselves in a messy issue, but we all 
know where the blame lies.

All statements apply to states that consider automobiles to be valuable 
property.  Those that do not care are worthy of noting, and avoiding as 
sources of cars.  The burden of proof always lies with the seller.  The 
burden of verification lies with the purchaser.  The item being sold has 
obvious illegal applications, and NO US vehicle has blank plates being 
sold on eBay (or anywhere else, legally).  Ever wonder why?

Steve

Russ Eshelman wrote:

>Steve.............What you say is true,   but what about the folks that have 
>lost or damaged plates.  For every good......... there is an evil side too.
>Russ
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Steve Laifman
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