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Re: [Tigers] Generator to Alternator Conversion

To: "Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light)" <mark.rense@ge.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Generator to Alternator Conversion
From: Jay Laifman <jay.laifman@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 13:24:40 -0700
Cc: Joel Martin <jmartiniii@yahoo.com>, Tiger List Serve <Tigers@autox.team.net>
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On my alternator, not a true one wire alternator, but a 2.5 wire
alternator, it would not start charging unless it got over 1,500 or more.
All it needed was a blip on start up.  But it still needed it.

I said 2.5 because there is the light wire and the power wire, but the
power wire is jumped over to the third wire.  So, while the alternator has
three attachments, only 2 wires actually go to it.

It has been a while since I did this.  But I seem to recall that the light
wire goes to the post marked "S".  But no one should rely on that - I'm
happy to confirm though.





On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 1:18 PM, Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light) <
mark.rense@ge.com> wrote:

>  Jay, You are correct if you order the alternator with the indicator
> (82101-2 with indicator light), the charging circuit is energized through
> the light. On a true 1-wire, there is a voltage bias sensor inside the
> alternator that triggers an internal switch to open or close the circuit.
> On these Powermasters, the alternator will not switch on until the
> alternator begins to rotate above a couple hundred RPM and stays on until
> the engine stops. When you shut the engine off then that same switch shuts
> off the circuit so you dont bleed current and drain the battery. On a
> 3-wire alternator, the circuit is triggered by the ignition switch
> energizing the charging system through the indicator circuit. ****
>
> ** **
>
> If you dont need a generator light and/or have a voltage gage then get
> the 1-wire version, simple enough for even us Mechanical Engineers to
> install!****
>
> ** **
>
> Bugz****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Jay Laifman [mailto:jay.laifman@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 04, 2013 3:05 PM
> *To:* Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light)
> *Cc:* James Lindner; Joel Martin; Tiger List Serve
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Generator to Alternator Conversion****
>
> ** **
>
> When doing a one wire installation, keep in mind that the light wire is
> critical to the workings of the alternator.  It is actually pretty slick or
> tricky how it works.  It goes to the charging light on the dash.  The other
> wire to the light goes to keyed 12v, not ground.  When the key is turned
> on, 12v goes through the light, to the coils of the alternator.  It charges
> the coils and the alternator immediately charges when the engine starts
> spinning.  Then, 12v goes out of the alternator to the bulb.  When the bulb
> has 12v at each side, it shuts off.  ****
>
>  ****
>
> I learned this the hard way after years of driving an incorrectly
> wired alternator, and never understood why the engine had to get over a
> certain RPM to start charging.  ****
>
> ** **
>
> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light) <
> mark.rense@ge.com> wrote:****
>
> That would be the PowerMaster 82101 or the 82101-2 with indicator light
> terminal. These are one-wire types so you bypass all your regulator
> harness. I
> go tired of generator bearings burning out (they somehow don't like 7K
> shift
> points) on my 289 HiPo engine and went this way to look stock. The other
> advantage is you don't have to kluge brackets onto your car. They are at
> Summit Racing, not cheap at $369 and $389 for the indicator model, but
> you'll
> have twice as much juice at idle as the old generator put out at WFO.
> Bugz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net]
> On
> Behalf Of James Lindner
> Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 11:55 AM
> To: Joel Martin
> Cc: Tiger List Serve
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Generator to Alternator Conversion
>
> Joel
>
> If you are interested in an alternator that closely resembles the Ford OE
> generator, there was a discussion on this topic on the CAT Forum last
> week. It
> is my understanding that they fit into the existing bracket.
> Downside...pretty
> expensive.
>
> Jim
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 4, 2013, at 9:35 AM, Joel Martin <jmartiniii@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > I am wanting to convert from gernerator to alternator setup for a 289
> > HiPo motor in a 66 MK 1A.  Can anyone provide part numbers, brackets
> > to use,
> wiring
> > considerations etc in making this conversion?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Joel Martin
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