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Tom
It is very hard to say how much oil is still left in the upper =
engine or
does not drain back. I would think every engine is slightly different =
and
that amount should be very small.
=20
With the oil pan at level with 3qt - the fluid level is just about to =
move
into the rear section of the oil pan @ 4qt - the fluid level has move =
into
the rear section.
I'm not sure about the volume increase there - I'll add that to the To =
Do
List - in this case estimate.
=20
One experiment I need to look at is with the pan at 2 degrees down at =
front
- where is the fluid level with respect to the oil pump pick up screen?
The oil pick up screen is toward the back of the deep sump and tilting =
the
engine down at front forces oil away from the screen.
=20
Too much oil usually will not hurt you but too little oil will kill the
engine.
=20
Ron Fraser
-----Original Message-----
From: Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tom =
Witt
via Tigers
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 1:35 PM
To: tigers@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Dipstick and oil level report
Ron,
First, thank you for the labor in doing this. For those who are strict =
and
precise it seems like a chassis jig is your only hope! (LOL)
=20
It would be interesting to know (not asking, just musing) what amount of =
the
4 quarts in the pan reduces due to pudding/clinking, oil passages and =
what
does and doesn't drain back from the filter. I am also curious, what, if =
any
of the 4 quarts went outside the sump area. By that I mean did the oil
height extend into the broader area of the pan. If it did then I'd =
estimate
that volume increases 1-1/2 to 2 times once the oil reaches that point =
for a
given dip stick rise amount.
=20
I learned about the angle issue the hard way. I did an engine swap and =
to
get the engine started dumped in (the only) 3 quarts of synthetic oil I =
had.
The car started fine and I had good oil pressure idling. I shut it down =
and
worked on other areas. Months later when the car was driven I would find
that as the car warmed up - the oil pressure dropped. I checked the dip
stick and making a mental compensation for the driveway angle felt the =
level
was sufficient. I mean, after all, I had put in 5 quarts (I thought) =
months
ago. It was only after seeking exceptionally level ground and =
factoring
for the significant 6-7 degree rearward angle of the engine (350 Chevy =
in a
64 Studebaker in case you are wondering) that in fact I was 2 full =
quarts
low! The good news is that no damage appeared to be done and in this =
case
the repair was made with a funnel.
=20
I still think that the best thing to do is an oil change (on level =
ground),
warm the engine up, shut off and see where the dipstick level is after
sitting a few minutes. A file or Dremel tool can then be used to notch =
the
stick. I then use the add/full range as a rough visual guide as it =
relates
to the new mark.
=20
Tom
=20
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 12:42 PM
To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net=20
Subject: [Tigers] Dipstick and oil level report
=20
I set up a fixture - 289 oil pan, timing cover and oil pump with pick up
=20
I used my 260 Tiger dipstick and tube. The end of this dipstick is =
about
1/2" off the bottom of the oil pan.
=20
Leveled fixture front to back, side to side
=20
2qt - level is at ADD line
3qt - level is 1/4" below FULL line
4qt - level is at the top L of FULL
=20
Tiger oil lines hold about 4 oz
=20
I calculated the volume for oil filters - actual fluid measurements =
probably
vary
Fram PH8A =3D 49.214 cu in =3D 27.27 oz =3D 1.7 pt ( 1.7 + .25 =3D =
1.95 pt)
almost 1qt
Fram PH3600 =3D 34.289 cu in =3D 18.99 oz =3D 1.18 pt
=20
I measured the angle of my Tiger engine at 2 degrees tilted down at =
front
I measured the angle of my 1988 Mustang engine at 4 degrees tilted down =
at
back
=20
Tilt test
2 degree front 3qt - level is at FULL line
4qt - level is 1/16" below Ford logo oval
=20
5 degree back 3qt - level is 1/4" above ADD line or just below mid =
line
4qt - level is 1/8" below FULL line
=20
I never think the tilt of the engine would mean so much but there you =
have
it - Tilt means everything with respect to the dipstick.
=20
Ron Fraser
=20
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class=3D140485617-21102015>Tom</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D140485617-21102015> It is very hard to say how =
much oil=20
is still left in the upper engine or does not drain back. I would =
think=20
every engine is slightly different and that amount should be very=20
small.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D140485617-21102015></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D140485617-21102015>With=20
the oil pan at level with 3qt - the fluid level is =
just=20
about to move into the rear section of the oil pan @ 4qt - the =
fluid=20
level has move into the rear section.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D140485617-21102015>I'm=20
not sure about the volume increase there - I'll add that to the To Do =
List - in=20
this case estimate.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D140485617-21102015></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D140485617-21102015>One=20
experiment I need to look at is with the pan at 2 degrees down at front =
- where=20
is the fluid level with respect to the oil pump pick up=20
screen?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D140485617-21102015>The=20
oil pick up screen is toward the back of the deep sump and tilting the =
engine=20
down at front forces oil away from the screen.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D140485617-21102015></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D140485617-21102015>Too=20
much oil usually will not hurt you but too little oil will kill the =
engine.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D140485617-21102015></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D140485617-21102015>Ron=20
Fraser</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr lang=3Den-us class=3DOutlookMessageHeader =
align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D2=20
face=3DTahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Tigers=20
[mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Tom Witt =
via=20
Tigers<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 21, 2015 1:35 =
PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
tigers@autox.team.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Tigers] Dipstick and oil =
level=20
report<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr>
<DIV style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">
<DIV>Ron,</DIV>
<DIV>First, thank you for the labor in doing this. For those who are =
strict=20
and precise it seems like a chassis jig is your only hope! (LOL)</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>It would be interesting to know (not asking, just musing) what =
amount of=20
the 4 quarts in the pan reduces due to pudding/clinking, oil passages =
and what=20
does and doesn’t drain back from the filter. I am also curious, =
what, if any=20
of the 4 quarts went outside the sump area. By that I mean did the oil =
height=20
extend into the broader area of the pan. If it did then I’d =
estimate that=20
volume increases 1-1/2 to 2 times once the oil reaches that point for =
a given=20
dip stick rise amount.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I learned about the angle issue the hard way. I did an engine =
swap and to=20
get the engine started dumped in (the only) 3 quarts of synthetic oil =
I had.=20
The car started fine and I had good oil pressure idling. I shut it =
down and=20
worked on other areas. Months later when the car was driven I would =
find that=20
as the car warmed up - the oil pressure dropped. I checked the dip =
stick and=20
making a mental compensation for the driveway angle felt the level was =
sufficient. I mean, after all, I had put in 5 quarts (I thought) =
months=20
ago. It was only after seeking exceptionally level ground =
and=20
factoring for the significant 6-7 degree rearward angle of the engine =
(350=20
Chevy in a 64 Studebaker in case you are wondering) that in fact I was =
2 full=20
quarts low! The good news is that no damage appeared to be done =
and in=20
this case the repair was made with a funnel.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I still think that the best thing to do is an oil change (on =
level=20
ground), warm the engine up, shut off and see where the dipstick level =
is=20
after sitting a few minutes. A file or Dremel tool can then be =
used to=20
notch the stick. I then use the add/full range as a rough visual guide =
as it=20
relates to the new mark.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Tom</DIV>
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style=3D"FONT-STYLE: normal; DISPLAY: inline; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; =
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<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A =
title=3Dtigers@autox.team.net=20
href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net";>Ron Fraser via Tigers</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, October 20, 2015 12:42 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dtigers@Autox.Team.Net=20
href=3D"mailto:tigers@Autox.Team.Net";>tigers@Autox.Team.Net</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> [Tigers] Dipstick and oil level =
report</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV></DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"FONT-STYLE: normal; DISPLAY: inline; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; =
COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; TEXT-DECORATION: =
none">
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D312031019-20102015>I =
set up a fixture=20
- 289 oil pan, timing cover and oil pump with pick =
up</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D312031019-20102015></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D312031019-20102015>I =
used my 260=20
Tiger dipstick and tube. The end of this dipstick is =
about=20
1/2" off the bottom of the oil pan.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D312031019-20102015></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D312031019-20102015>Leveled fixture=20
front to back, side to side</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D312031019-20102015></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D312031019-20102015>2qt =
- level is at=20
ADD line</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D312031019-20102015>3qt =
- level is=20
1/4" below FULL line</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D312031019-20102015>4qt =
- level is at=20
the top L of FULL</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D312031019-20102015></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D312031019-20102015>Tiger oil lines=20
hold about 4 oz</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D312031019-20102015></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D312031019-20102015>I =
calculated the=20
volume for oil filters - actual fluid measurements probably=20
vary</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D312031019-20102015>Fram =
PH8A =3D 49.214=20
cu in =3D 27.27 oz =3D 1.7 pt ( 1.7 + .25 =3D 1.95 =
pt) almost=20
1qt</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D312031019-20102015>Fram =
PH3600 =3D=20
34.289 cu in =3D 18.99 oz =3D 1.18 pt</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D312031019-20102015></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D312031019-20102015>I =
measured the=20
angle of my Tiger engine at 2 degrees tilted down at =
front</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D312031019-20102015>I =
measured the=20
angle of my 1988 Mustang engine at 4 degrees tilted down at=20
back</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D312031019-20102015></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D312031019-20102015>Tilt =
test</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D312031019-20102015>2 =
degree=20
front 3qt - level is at FULL =
line</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
=
class=3D312031019-20102015> &nbs=
p;  =
; =20
4qt - level is 1/16" below Ford logo oval</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D312031019-20102015></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D312031019-20102015>5 =
degree=20
back 3qt - level is 1/4" above ADD line or just =
below mid=20
line</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
=
class=3D312031019-20102015> &nbs=
p;  =
; =20
4qt - level is 1/8" below FULL line</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D312031019-20102015></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D312031019-20102015>I =
never think the=20
tilt of the engine would mean so much but there you have it - Tilt =
means=20
everything with respect to the dipstick.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D312031019-20102015></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D312031019-20102015>Ron=20
Fraser</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D312031019-20102015></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
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