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I wonder if national pride had any consideration with Shelby not =
assembling the cars? That being the Tiger being seen more as an =
American hot rod, than a British sports car? From what I heard in =
George Boskoff=E2=80=99s talk it seemed more like the Tiger prototype =
was assigned to Boskoff to =E2=80=98figure out=E2=80=99 by himself. If =
there was a major issue (like bending the steering arms) he would bounce =
the matter off Shelby. So, while the Shelby name is associated with the =
Tiger Shelby himself seemed to have little to do with the car. When the =
prototype was completed there were no drawings etc. with Boskoff only =
mentioning he had =E2=80=9Ca few templates.=E2=80=9D It kind of leads =
one to question just how interested Shelby really was.
Another thing to consider is; is it cheaper to send an American =
engine/trans to England - only to send it right back in a complete =
car..., or to send rolling, but non-powered cars and all the transport =
logistics (and cost) that would require? =20
BTW, the past five or so posts I=E2=80=99ve made to the list, over a =
number of months, have not appeared. This even with deleting the Tigers =
list information at the bottom and sending as plain text. So, this may =
only appear if Ron or Jere reply back to the list.
From: Ron Fraser via Tigers=20
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2016 8:03 AM
To: 'Teepen, Jere' ; tigers@Autox.Team.Net=20
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shelby as Sunbeam Tiger manufacturer?
According to TBON both the Shelby and Miles Alpine V-8s were Series II. =
The Jensen Project Prototype was a Series III.
=20
G. Robson Book =E2=80=93 my guess is Shelby wanted to change the =
steering rack position and the front suspension geometry. I also =
believe the next concern was the rear axle and suspension. These seem =
to have been his main concerns and there were probably others. Funny, =
the same ones we have today. Maybe a look at the race Tigers would give =
more hints about the direction he envisioned. Remember $10,000 for the =
Shelby Alpine V-8 only goes so far and Rootes was not interested in =
making major, read that expensive changes to the Alpine platform.
=20
Ron Fraser
=20
From: Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Teepen, =
Jere via Tigers
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 6:31 PM
To: J Clark <icanhandyman@yahoo.com>; tigers@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shelby as Sunbeam Tiger manufacturer?
=20
I have no knowledge about the changes Shelby may have made if production =
had gone that way, but from what I recall, the first V-8 Alpines were =
Series 2 (Ken Miles) and 3 (Shelby).=20
=20
I am now curious too, has there been any information as to what Shelby =
may have proposed?
=20
From: Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of J Clark =
via Tigers
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 12:14 AM
To: tigers@autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Shelby as Sunbeam Tiger manufacturer?
=20
=20
Was reading the Tiger Wikipedia and the reference (citing the G. Robson =
book, "Sunbeam Alpine and Tiger- The complete Story")=20
to Carroll Shelby's initial desire to build the car. Though I do own a =
copy of this book I must admit that this is news to me.=20
Upon reading what Robson wrote, it still left me with a couple of =
questions. Do any of you folks know what Shelby, according to
Robson, had in mind when he proposed "radical modification of the =
Alpine's structure and chassis"? One wonders how things may
have played out in the big scheme of things if Rootes had given Shelby =
the gig, rather than Jensen.
=20
Graham Robson also makes reference to some of the prototypes being built =
with SIII body shells. I believe this is hogwash,
leading me to question the veracity of the rest of the book's contents.
=20
One more thing. Is my punctuation in this text coming through legibly?=20
=20
=
Regards,
=
Jon
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<DIV>I wonder if national pride had any consideration with Shelby not =
assembling=20
the cars? That being the Tiger being seen more as an American hot =
rod,=20
than a British sports car? From what I heard in George =
Boskoff=E2=80=99s talk it=20
seemed more like the Tiger prototype was assigned to Boskoff to =
=E2=80=98figure out=E2=80=99 by=20
himself. If there was a major issue (like bending the steering arms) he =
would=20
bounce the matter off Shelby. So, while the Shelby name is associated =
with the=20
Tiger Shelby himself seemed to have little to do with the car. When the=20
prototype was completed there were no drawings etc. with Boskoff only =
mentioning=20
he had =E2=80=9Ca few templates.=E2=80=9D It kind of leads one to =
question just how interested=20
Shelby really was.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Another thing to consider is; is it cheaper to send an American=20
engine/trans to England - only to send it right back in a complete =
car..., or to=20
send rolling, but non-powered cars and all the transport logistics (and =
cost)=20
that would require? </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>BTW, the past five or so posts I=E2=80=99ve made to the list, over =
a number of=20
months, have not appeared. This even with deleting the Tigers list =
information=20
at the bottom and sending as plain text. So, this may only appear if Ron =
or Jere=20
reply back to the list.</DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV=20
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<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A =
title=3Dtigers@autox.team.net=20
href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net";>Ron Fraser via Tigers</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, June 11, 2016 8:03 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3Djteepen@usatoday.com=20
href=3D"mailto:jteepen@usatoday.com";>'Teepen, Jere'</A> ; <A=20
title=3Dtigers@Autox.Team.Net=20
href=3D"mailto:tigers@Autox.Team.Net";>tigers@Autox.Team.Net</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Tigers] Shelby as Sunbeam Tiger=20
manufacturer?</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV></DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: =
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif'>According =
to TBON=20
both the Shelby and Miles Alpine V-8s were Series II. The Jensen =
Project=20
Prototype was a Series III.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif'>G. Robson =
Book =E2=80=93=20
<B>my guess</B> is Shelby wanted to change the steering rack position =
and the=20
front suspension geometry. I also believe the next concern was the =
rear=20
axle and suspension. These seem to have been his main concerns and =
there=20
were probably others. Funny, the same ones we have today. =
Maybe a=20
look at the race Tigers would give more hints about the direction he=20
envisioned. Remember $10,000 for the Shelby Alpine V-8 only goes =
so far=20
and Rootes was not interested in making major, read that expensive =
changes to=20
the Alpine platform.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif'>Ron=20
Fraser<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><SPAN=20
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"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif'> Tigers=20
[mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Teepen, Jere =
via=20
Tigers<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, June 10, 2016 6:31 PM<BR><B>To:</B> J =
Clark=20
<icanhandyman@yahoo.com>; tigers@autox.team.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> =
Re:=20
[Tigers] Shelby as Sunbeam Tiger =
manufacturer?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><o:p></o:p> </P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif; COLOR: =
#1f497d'>I=20
have no knowledge about the changes Shelby may have made if production =
had gone=20
that way, but from what I recall, the first V-8 Alpines were Series 2 =
(Ken=20
Miles) and 3 (Shelby). <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif; COLOR: =
#1f497d'><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif; COLOR: =
#1f497d'>I am=20
now curious too, has there been any information as to what Shelby may =
have=20
proposed?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif; COLOR: =
#1f497d'><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif'> Tigers [<A =
href=3D"mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net";>mailto:tigers-bounces@autox=
.team.net</A>]=20
<B>On Behalf Of </B>J Clark via Tigers<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, June 10, =
2016=20
12:14 AM<BR><B>To:</B> <A=20
href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net";>tigers@autox.team.net</A><BR><B>Sub=
ject:</B>=20
[Tigers] Shelby as Sunbeam Tiger =
manufacturer?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><o:p></o:p> </P>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Verdana",sans-serif; COLOR: =
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<DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_4163>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Verdana",sans-serif; COLOR: =
black'>Was=20
reading the Tiger Wikipedia and the reference (citing the G. Robson =
book,=20
"Sunbeam Alpine and Tiger- The complete Story") =
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_4347>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Verdana",sans-serif; COLOR: =
black'>to=20
Carroll Shelby's initial desire to build the car. Though I do own a copy =
of this=20
book I must admit that this is news to me. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_4519>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Verdana",sans-serif; COLOR: =
black'>Upon=20
reading what Robson wrote, it still left me with a couple of questions. =
Do any=20
of you folks know what Shelby, according to<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_4674>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Verdana",sans-serif; COLOR: =
black'>Robson,=20
had in mind when he proposed "radical modification of the Alpine's =
structure and=20
chassis"? One wonders how things may<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_4726>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Verdana",sans-serif; COLOR: =
black'>have=20
played out in the big scheme of things if Rootes had given Shelby the =
gig,=20
rather than Jensen.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_4626>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Verdana",sans-serif; COLOR: =
black'><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P></DIV>
<DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_4798>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Verdana",sans-serif; COLOR: =
black'>Graham=20
Robson also makes reference to some of the prototypes being built with =
SIII body=20
shells. I believe this is hogwash,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_4919>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Verdana",sans-serif; COLOR: =
black'>leading=20
me to question the veracity of the rest of the book's=20
contents.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_5077>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Verdana",sans-serif; COLOR: =
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<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Verdana",sans-serif; COLOR: =
black'>One=20
more thing. Is my punctuation in this text coming through legibly?=20
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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