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Re: [Fot] Our weekend at the Glen

Subject: Re: [Fot] Our weekend at the Glen
From: "" <>
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 23:37:01 -0400
:-)    SECOND!

Original Message:
From: David Talbott
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 18:23:00 -0700
Subject: Re: [Fot] Our weekend at the Glen

I suppose we shouldn't presume Kas's comments to be an official =

pronouncement on his part, but it does sound like Portland might have some =

potential in a bid to be the host city for the 2009 Kastner Cup.  Since
Bill =

Babcock has an obvious connection with the local Convention & Visitors =

Bureau, not to mention that he's essentially retired, I think nominating
him =

for the position of Event Chair would make perfect sense to get the ball =

rolling.  This is a crucial role, especially if one is to believe that Joe =

Alexander will be declining such opportunities for a while - or so I
thought =

I heard Jan to suggest last Sunday at the Glen.

Of course, I'd be delighted to assist Bill in any way I can; however I may =

need all the time I can muster just to make sure I have a car finished for =

the event.  Given that the track is all of a 7 minute tow from my shop, I'm =

thinking I wouldn't have too many excuses for not being there.

And unlike the Glen, the prospects for hurricane-induced weather events are =

pretty slim in September for this area, in fact it would be tough to pick a =

better time of the year to be in the NW.  Now that I think about it, the =

picture of Uncle Jack in his polyester leisure suit that someone posted a =

few weeks back was taken at a balmy Saturday night party at the September =

CRC event a couple of years ago.

So what say, do I hear a second for my nomination of Billy B. to lead the =

charge for PDX 2009?


----- Original Message ----- =

From: "Kas Kastner" <>
To: <>; "Bill Babcock" <>
Cc: <>
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Our weekend at the Glen

> Portland is a great city, great track an a neat place to have a good time.
> ---- Bill Babcock <> wrote:
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> As Jeff pointed out, it's Labor Day, not Memorial day. I get those two
> confused all the time.
> Portland International Raceway is an interesting track from a
> technical standpoint, and the CRC is a good race. The track was
> repaved last year and some corners were changed a bit.  You won't find
> better pavement anywhere. It's easy to run large-scale races there.
> PIR is right on the MAX line (rapid transit trains), so significant
> others are not stuck at the track--they can go into Portland with
> minimal effort, and Portland is one of the most accessible cities in
> the US. Very compact--you can walk anywhere in downtown. Having been
> pretty much all over the world and especially all over North America I
> assert that Portland has restaurants, street food, taverns and
> specialty food (like artiisan bread, great bakeries, etc) to rival or
> surpass any city, including places like Paris, New York City and San
> Francisco. You simply can't find better beer, and our Pinot's stack up
> to the best.
> SOVREN is very strict about racing classifications for it's members,
> but more flexible for outsiders. I'm sure I can work with them to
> ensure that anyone that wants to come can race. I'm also pretty sure I
> can get an all-triumph race. The CRC has plenty of track time--it runs
> Friday through Monday with Thursday usually available as an
> inexpensive test and tune day through the Lotus Club. You can wear
> yourself and your car out at the CRC.
> The All British Field Meet runs the same weekend in the same venue
> (yes, there are sometimes some space problems but we can overflow to
> the Pro Pits which are nicer for camping anyway). They have car shows,
> autojumbles, and a big vendor area. It's a well-attended show that
> draws from car clubs all over the coast. There is a short on-track
> autocross that's kind of a PIA, but I'd like to set up a better and
> longer running autocross in the propit area--we've done that before.
> I think PIR is kind of ideal as a west coast venue for the Kastner
> Cup. Seattle (Pacific Raceways) is too far from other facilities--it's
> in Kent, Washington--and the major race is the Northwest Historics,
> which is a pretty crowded event. The Portland Historics is an HMSA
> event, and they're hard to work with on car classifications.
> Thunderhill is a wonderful track, but it's east of nowhere. Sears
> (Infinion) is fabulous and wonderful Sonoma is close by, but the only
> likely event is the CSRG Charity Challenge and it's often filled. CSRG
> is an excellent organization, but they might be a bit tough on car
> classification. I'm not sure any of the SCCA cars would be allowed to
> run. Laguna is too restricted--they don't have many dates anymore.
> We'd all need sand filters for Willows.
> The only limitation at PIR is noise--you'd all need mufflers.
> It's not too early to start planning. How do we get this going?
> On Sep 9, 2008, at 8:35 PM, wrote:
>> Bill,
>> Funny you should mention those two venues, because I was discussing
>> this with some So Cal brethren and we came to the same conclusions.
>> It is the West coast's turn again and I think Portland would be
>> fantastic.  Let me know if I can help organize this.
>> Chuck Gee
>> Blacksmith Racing
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bill Babcock <>
>> To: Henry Frye <>
>> Cc:
>> Sent: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 11:55 am
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Our weekend at the Glen
>> I'm thinking it's time for the left coast. Maybe Thunderhill? It's a
>> hell of a track, though the surrounding facilities suck. Portland
>> would be great, the Columbia River Classic is the weekend before
>> this SVRA race (Memorial day weekend), and it's a high-track time
>> event. Most folks are sick of racing by the time the Monday races
>> roll around. it also encompasses the All British Field Meet which a
>> lot of Triumph folks attend as well.
>> I know I could get SOVREN to roll out the red carpet for FOT since I
>> helped to give this race a boost a few years ago. The Saturday at-
>> track party is legenday, an opportunity to get out your vintage
>> duds, and I can commit to a pretty cool FOT party at Casa Babcock.


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