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I am wondering where the mixing of the fuels (Petrol and Ethanol) is =
done to allow for all these different percentages by location. Curious =
also whether the percentage varies by grade. Incidentally the manual =
states that the TR engines were designed to run on 80 octane. I'm =
guessing that the grading system has been changed since then. However I =
had been running 93 octane in my nearly stock TR3 street motor, until I =
decide to try a tank of 89. The engine seems to like the lower octane =
better, is running less rich and consuming fuel at a slower rate.
Finally, can anyone tell me the capacity (US gals) of an early TR3 fuel =
tank? The manual states 12.5 gals, but I am putting in 12 gals with what =
appears to be something like 2 gals still remaining. Are they using =
Imperial measurement? (understand that 1 US gal equals about 5/6 =
Imperial gal)
Steve P.---- Original Message -----=20
From: Tim Murphy=20
To: John Herrera ; Bill Collins ; FOT=20
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 2:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Ethanol in TX gasoline.
On the way to the Glen bought gas in Indiana, Ohio and New York and =
never saw an ethanol sticker on a single pump. Here in Wisconsin they =
are on all the pumps, on all 3 grades. I also saw someplace (can't =
remember where, CRS disease) that some supplieres are adding more than =
the required 10%. An economic move I believe the article said.
Tim
----- Original Message -----=20
From: John Herrera=20
To: Bill Collins ; FOT=20
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Ethanol in TX gasoline.
I spent Tuesday afternnon hanging about in my old friend's hangar. =
He was finishing an annual on a Piper Colt that has the Autogas STC. He =
needed gasoline to test the engine so he went to the nearby Sheetz and =
bought a can of 87 octane rating and a can of 91.
=20
Neither pump was labeled as containing ethanol.
=20
The STC allows the use of autogas only if it contains NO alcohol, so =
he tested the gas for alcohol content using a test kit. The kit came =
from Sporty's or Aircraft Spruce or equivalent.=20
=20
The 87 contained 8% and the 91 contained 5% alcohol.
=20
So I think this means that one can't always go by the labeling on =
the pump.
=20
John H.
In Texas, soon as one get out of the metropolitan areas of Ft. Worth =
and Dallas, say 15 miles south of Fort Worth to Motor Sports Ranch, =
there is NO Ethanol in any of the pump gas. I know this because while =
doing HPDE's in my M3 I looked for Shell 93 Oct. I noticed that the =
required "May contain up to 10% Ethanol" sticker required by law to =
be on every pump containing Ethanol was absent along with any vapor =
recovery technology. The station owner confirmed... No Ethanol
Bill Collins
'64 MK1 Spit racer
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I am wondering where the mixing of the fuels =
(Petrol and=20
Ethanol) is done to allow for all these different percentages by =
location.=20
Curious also whether the percentage varies by grade. Incidentally the =
manual=20
states that the TR engines were designed to run on 80 octane. I'm =
guessing that=20
the grading system has been changed since the</FONT><FONT =
face=3DTahoma>n. However=20
I had been running 93 octane in my nearly stock TR3 street motor, until =
I decide=20
to try a tank of 89. The engine seems to like the lower octane better, =
is=20
running less rich and consuming fuel at a slower rate.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma>Finally, can anyone tell me the capacity (US =
gals) of an=20
early TR3 fuel tank? The manual states 12.5 gals, but I am putting =
in 12=20
gals with what appears to be something like 2 gals still=20
remaining. Are they using Imperial measurement? (understand =
that 1 US=20
gal equals about 5/6 Imperial gal)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma>Steve P.---- Original Message ----- =
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dtimmurph@fastbytes.com =
href=3D"mailto:timmurph@fastbytes.com";>Tim=20
Murphy</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Djrherrera90@hotmail.com=20
href=3D"mailto:jrherrera90@hotmail.com";>John Herrera</A> ; <A=20
title=3Dbkolnz@sbcglobal.net href=3D"mailto:bkolnz@sbcglobal.net";>Bill =
Collins</A>=20
; <A title=3Dfot@autox.team.net =
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>FOT</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, September 15, =
2008 2:25=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Fot] Ethanol in =
TX=20
gasoline.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>On the way to the Glen bought gas in Indiana, =
Ohio and=20
New York and never saw an ethanol sticker on a single pump. Here =
in=20
Wisconsin they are on all the pumps, on all 3 grades. I also saw =
someplace (can't remember where, CRS disease) that some supplieres are =
adding=20
more than the required 10%. An economic move I believe the =
article=20
said.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Tim</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Djrherrera90@hotmail.com =
href=3D"mailto:jrherrera90@hotmail.com";>John=20
Herrera</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dbkolnz@sbcglobal.net=20
href=3D"mailto:bkolnz@sbcglobal.net";>Bill Collins</A> ; <A=20
title=3Dfot@autox.team.net =
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>FOT</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, September 14, =
2008 10:38=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Fot] Ethanol in =
TX=20
gasoline.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I spent Tuesday afternnon hanging about in my old =
friend's=20
hangar. He was finishing an annual on a Piper Colt that has the =
Autogas STC.=20
He needed gasoline to test the engine so he went to the nearby =
Sheetz and=20
bought a can of 87 octane rating and a can of =
91.<BR> <BR>Neither pump=20
was labeled as containing ethanol.<BR> <BR>The STC allows =
the use=20
of autogas only if it contains NO alcohol, so he tested the gas for =
alcohol=20
content using a test kit. The kit came from Sporty's or Aircraft =
Spruce or=20
equivalent. <BR> <BR>The 87 contained 8% and the 91 contained =
5%=20
alcohol.<BR> <BR>So I think this means that one can't always go =
by the=20
labeling on the pump.<BR> <BR>John H.<BR><BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS">In Texas, soon as one get out of =
the=20
metropolitan areas of Ft. Worth and Dallas, say 15 miles south of =
Fort Worth=20
to Motor Sports Ranch, there is NO Ethanol in any of the pump =
gas. I=20
know this because while doing HPDE's in my M3 I looked for Shell 93 =
Oct. I=20
noticed that the required "May contain up to 10% =
Ethanol" =20
sticker required by law to be on every pump containing Ethanol was =
absent=20
along with any vapor recovery technology. The station owner=20
confirmed... No Ethanol</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS">Bill Collins</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS">'64 MK1 Spit racer</FONT></DIV>
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