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Re: [Fot] RE -valve guides revisited

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Subject: Re: [Fot] RE -valve guides revisited
From: Tony Drews <tony@tonydrews.com>
Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 22:09:25 -0500
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One of the FOT shared some calculations with me concerning the shrinking of clearances when hot...

With Bronze guides with 0.004" clearance and Stainless Steel valves with 5/16" stems, when the exhaust valve hits 1000 degrees there will be 0" of clearance.

I have no way to check the math and it's way above my pay grade, but what Michael is describing is exactly the issue in my mind. You want to run a clearance just big enough to avoid sticking the valves.

I can't argue that Bronze is better than Iron for the guides, but a number of have found that if you don't run "enough" clearance, bad things can occur - and they get infinitely worse if you have enough lift that you're running an interference valve train.

The conventional wisdom seemed to be that the iron guides had higher wear or were somehow inferior to Bronze but I'm really unclear where that notion came from.

Tony

At 07:26 PM 5/14/2012, Michael Porter wrote:
On 5/14/2012 4:13 PM, Enquiries Road & Track wrote:
i think you guys are missing the point. bronze guides were intended to be
able to run *smaller* clearances for better heat transfer. there
is absolutely no point in increasing clearances unless you have chromed
stem valves (very rare nowadays). you want the absolute minimum for best
heat transfer.

Umm, the issue is not the cold clearance, but the hot running clearance. Since the thermal coefficient of expansion of bronze is, depending upon type, about 2-1/2 to 3 times that of cast iron, their use in cast iron heads requires additional cold clearance, so that the hot running clearance is adequate. When the guide grows with heat, the actual running bore gets smaller, because the mechanical strength of the cast iron is higher and the coefficient of expansion is lower than that of the bronze.

This is a matter rarely of concern when using bronze guides in an aluminum head, since the coefficients of expansion are closer to the same (a ratio of perhaps 3 to 4), but with cast iron, a much bigger deal because the ratio is more like 3 to 1. This is why so many racers in this country have experienced valves sticking when using the recommended factory cold clearance (appropriate only for cast-iron guides).


Cheers.

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Michael Porter
Roswell, NM


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