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I have a dog box in my RX7 - use Redline Shockproof Gera Oil - comes in 3 =
different weights - works well at reducing wear on those parts that get hea=
vy wear - its formulated to stay attached to the bits so engagements have a=
dditional cushioning - reduced wear by a noticeable amount in my car
Ralph
On =E2=80=8EMonday=E2=80=8E, =E2=80=8EDecember=E2=80=8E =E2=80=8E17=E2=
=80=8E, =E2=80=8E2018=E2=80=8E =E2=80=8E02=E2=80=8E:=E2=80=8E37=E2=80=8E:=
=E2=80=8E57=E2=80=8E =E2=80=8EAM=E2=80=8E =E2=80=8ECST, van.mulders.marcel-=
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Duncan, the gearbox in my racecar (TR4A) is a dogbox, so without synchrome=
sh rings,=C2=A0 and I suppose you can compare it to a bike gearbox when con=
sidering what oil can be used.Marcel
Van: "fot" <fot@autox.team.net>
Aan: "fot" <fot@autox.team.net>
Verzonden: Zondag 16 december 2018 23:05:36
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] bike engine oil for overdrive gearbox?
Don=E2=80=99t most motorcycles that share oil between the engine and gearbo=
x use dog gear engagement? =C2=A0The label on the Honda synthetic motorcycl=
e oil I have been using in my NSU 1200 engine (practically a motorcycle eng=
ine anyhow) touts its favorable effect on dog gears. =C2=A0Of course, that =
left me wondering what its effect on synchromesh would be, so I wondered wh=
ether it would be appropriate for my Mini Cooper S race engine/gearbox comb=
o.
I have have heard good things about Redline Shock Proof Gear Oil=E2=80=99s =
ability to keep gearbox temperatures down:=C2=A0https://www.redlineoil.com/=
shockproof-gear-oils=C2=A0. =C2=A0The literature suggests that it creates l=
ess drag compared to other oils of the same viscosity rating. =C2=A0I use i=
t in the gearbox of the NSU racer but have made no attempt to measure how h=
ot it gets with any type of oil.
DuncanPs:=C2=A0I=E2=80=99ve been using 30 weight non-detergent oil in the M=
oss gearbox in my Morgan but that=E2=80=99s an unusual gearbox with rather =
balky steel synchro materials. =C2=A0The redline product I tried gave about=
the same shift feel but the synchromesh oil (AC Delco 10-4014) gave a slig=
ht improvement in feel and synchro action. =C2=A0
On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 9:25 AM van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <fot@autox.te=
am.net> wrote:
Like most TR racers I believe that an overdrive gearbox is worth some lapti=
me on most racetracks. But there are some drawbacks :9.5kgs weight penalty =
and the gap between 4th gear and 4th overdrive gear is too big. There is al=
so a considerable amount of power loss when the overdrive is engaged becaus=
e of the friction in the overdrive gears : but I think that in general mode=
rn engine oil can reduce the friction in the overdrive, compared to GL-4 ge=
ar oil, because it has much better friction modifiers. But are these fricti=
on modifiers compatible with the clutch in the overdrive?? Classic Mini's a=
nd most bikes have 1 oil pan for both engine and gearbox : what about using=
a modern bike oil or a modern (synthetic) classic mini oil in an overdrive=
gearbox to reduce the friction in the overdrive and gain some acceleration=
when 4th overdrive gear is engaged?Marcel_________________________________=
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ly: Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">I have a d=
og box in my RX7 - use Redline Shockproof Gera Oil - comes in 3 different w=
eights - works well at reducing wear on those parts that get heavy wear - i=
ts formulated to stay attached to the bits so engagements have additional c=
ushioning - reduced wear by a noticeable amount in my car</div><div class=
=3D"ydp24a153d7yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-family: Helvetica Neue,Helve=
tica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><br></div><div class=3D"ydp24a153d=
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s-serif; font-size: 13px;">Ralph</div><div class=3D"ydp24a153d7yahoo-style-=
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On =E2=80=8EMonday=E2=80=8E, =E2=80=8EDecember=E2=80=8E=
=E2=80=8E17=E2=80=8E, =E2=80=8E2018=E2=80=8E =E2=80=8E02=E2=80=8E:=E2=80=
=8E37=E2=80=8E:=E2=80=8E57=E2=80=8E =E2=80=8EAM=E2=80=8E =E2=80=8ECST, van.=
mulders.marcel--- via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
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<div><div id=3D"ydpf5ed608byiv4501719512"><div><div style=
=3D"font-family:Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:=
#000000;"><div>Duncan, the gearbox in my racecar (TR4A) is a dogbox, so wit=
hout synchromesh rings, and I suppose you can compare it to a bike ge=
arbox when considering what oil can be used.</div><div>Marcel</div><div><br=
clear=3D"none"></div><hr id=3D"ydpf5ed608byiv4501719512zwchr"><div class=
=3D"ydpf5ed608byiv4501719512yqt0975538319" id=3D"ydpf5ed608byiv4501719512yq=
tfd76787"><div><b>Van: </b>"fot" <fot@autox.team.net><br clear=3D"non=
e"><b>Aan: </b>"fot" <fot@autox.team.net><br clear=3D"none"><b>Verzon=
den: </b>Zondag 16 december 2018 23:05:36<br clear=3D"none"><b>Onderwerp: <=
/b>Re: [Fot] bike engine oil for overdrive gearbox?<br clear=3D"none"></div=
><br clear=3D"none"></div><div><div class=3D"ydpf5ed608byiv4501719512yqt097=
5538319" id=3D"ydpf5ed608byiv4501719512yqtfd67569">Don=E2=80=99t most motor=
cycles that share oil between the engine and gearbox use dog gear engagemen=
t? The label on the Honda synthetic motorcycle oil I have been using =
in my NSU 1200 engine (practically a motorcycle engine anyhow) touts its fa=
vorable effect on dog gears. Of course, that left me wondering what i=
ts effect on synchromesh would be, so I wondered whether it would be approp=
riate for my Mini Cooper S race engine/gearbox combo.<div class=3D"ydpf5ed6=
08byiv4501719512"><br class=3D"ydpf5ed608byiv4501719512" clear=3D"none"></d=
iv><div class=3D"ydpf5ed608byiv4501719512">I have have heard good things ab=
out Redline Shock Proof Gear Oil=E2=80=99s ability to keep gearbox temperat=
ures down: <a class=3D"ydpf5ed608byiv4501719512" href=3D"https://www.r=
edlineoil.com/shockproof-gear-oils" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" shap=
e=3D"rect">https://www.redlineoil.com/shockproof-gear-oils</a> .  =
;The literature suggests that it creates less drag compared to other oils o=
f the same viscosity rating. I use it in the gearbox of the NSU racer=
but have made no attempt to measure how hot it gets with any type of oil.<=
/div><div class=3D"ydpf5ed608byiv4501719512"><br class=3D"ydpf5ed608byiv450=
1719512" clear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"ydpf5ed608byiv4501719512">Dunca=
n</div><div class=3D"ydpf5ed608byiv4501719512">Ps: I=E2=80=99ve been u=
sing 30 weight non-detergent oil in the Moss gearbox in my Morgan but that=
=E2=80=99s an unusual gearbox with rather balky steel synchro materials. &n=
bsp;The redline product I tried gave about the same shift feel but the sync=
hromesh oil (AC Delco 10-4014) gave a slight improvement in feel and synchr=
o action. </div><div class=3D"ydpf5ed608byiv4501719512"><br class=3D"=
ydpf5ed608byiv4501719512" clear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"ydpf5ed608byiv=
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719512"><span class=3D"ydpf5ed608byiv4501719512" style=3D"font-family:Verda=
na, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;">On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 9=
:25 AM van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <</span><a class=3D"ydpf5ed608byiv4=
501719512" style=3D"font-family:Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-=
size:10pt;" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nof=
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01719512" style=3D"font-family:Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-s=
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0pt;"><div class=3D"ydpf5ed608byiv4501719512"><div class=3D"ydpf5ed608byiv4=
501719512gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"ydpf5ed608byiv4501719512gmail_qu=
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08byiv4501719512" style=3D"font-family:Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-seri=
f;font-size:10pt;"><div class=3D"ydpf5ed608byiv4501719512">Like most TR rac=
ers I believe that an overdrive gearbox is worth some laptime on most racet=
racks. But there are some drawbacks :9.5kgs weight penalty and the gap betw=
een 4th gear and 4th overdrive gear is too big. There is also a considerabl=
e amount of power loss when the overdrive is engaged because of the frictio=
n in the overdrive gears : but I think that in general modern engine oil ca=
n reduce the friction in the overdrive, compared to GL-4 gear oil, because =
it has much better friction modifiers. But are these friction modifiers com=
patible with the clutch in the overdrive?? Classic Mini's and most bikes ha=
ve 1 oil pan for both engine and gearbox : what about using a modern bike o=
il or a modern (synthetic) classic mini oil in an overdrive gearbox to redu=
ce the friction in the overdrive and gain some acceleration when 4th overdr=
ive gear is engaged?</div><div class=3D"ydpf5ed608byiv4501719512">Marcel</d=
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