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Spot on Bill.
Both technically and philosophically.=20
Alan - from my iPad
> On 19 Jun 2015, at 00:58, WILLIAM B LAWRENCE <ynotink@msn.com> wrote:
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> From: ynotink@msn.com
> To: michael.oritt@gmail.com
> Subject: RE: [Healeys] Oil again
> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 03:08:45 +0000
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> I see I'm late to the party on this topic. I was up in the Rocky Mountains=
participating in the Glenwood Springs Rallye when it started and frankly I w=
ish I still were. However, at the risk of being called ignorant, uninformed,=
commie pinko or whatever I have a little information that may be of help in=
sorting out the oil confusion.=20
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> Engine oil comes in generations as defined by the additive packages which a=
re blended in to tailor them for specific purposes. These generations can be=
traced by the API codes which are located on the container.=20
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> The API code is two letters found on the label. The first letter is either=
a C, which denotes the oil is intended for use in a compression ignition en=
gine, or an S which denotes it is intended for use in a spark ignition engin=
e.
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> The second letter denotes the type of use intended and follows the develop=
ment of the internal combustion engine from the most primitive (A) to the mo=
st sophisticated (I think they are at O Now). protective amounts of zinc wer=
e dropped from the additive package at SM. Any oil before that, or say from S=
D through SL, still contains zinc.
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> It may be true that zinc is not necessary for engines after the camshaft b=
reak-in, but I prefer to be cautious on that score so I look for oil that is=
SL or earlier. I'll let the more informed and adventurous members conduct t=
hat experiment...
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> Some heavy duty oils such as Chevron Delo or Rotella are rated for both co=
mpression ignition and for spark ignition service and will show both a C and=
an S rating. In some cases those oils will still have an SM or later rating=
.
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> The one oil type I have found that is reliably rated below SM is four stro=
ke motorcycle oil because motorcycles don't have catalysts. Typically it is r=
ated SF or SG. Since the oil has no way of knowing it is being run in an aut=
omotive engine and my Healey doesn't know the oil it's spewing is meant for a=
motorcycle I have been running Castrol 4T in 20W-50 grade quite happily.
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> As for the controversy part, if we start banning contentious topics we soo=
n won't have anything to talk about like most modern college campuses.
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> Bill Lawrence
> BN1 #554
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> From: michael.oritt@gmail.com
> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2015 06:14:11 -0400
> To: javrugtman@htcnet.org
> CC: healeys@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Oil again
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> We ALWAYS talk about oil and no one seems to have the answer, so we simply=
keep talking about it. =20
> For a change let's talk about politics or religion, two topics which are s=
usceptible to absolute rectitude. Many or most of us do not have the correct=
answers on either and someone here--perhaps an unknown lurker--may choose t=
o now come forward with his or her enlightenment and reveal it to us. =20
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> To mix a metaphor, I now listen with a jaundiced eye.
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> Best--Michael Oritt=20
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> On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 7:45 PM, John Vrugtman <javrugtman@htcnet.org> wro=
te:
> politics and religion, like water and oil, don't mix. On the other hand, o=
il and Healeys mix very well.
> JAV
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> On 6/12/2015 7:16 PM, Richard Kahn wrote:
> I think topics like politics, religion, and oil should be taboo. There is n=
o best in any of these topics.
> Rich Kahn
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>Spot on Bill.</div><div>Both technical=
ly and philosophically. <br><br>Alan - from my iPad</div><div><br>On 19=
Jun 2015, at 00:58, WILLIAM B LAWRENCE <<a href=3D"mailto:ynotink@msn.co=
m">ynotink@msn.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><di=
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o:ynotink@msn.com">ynotink@msn.com</a><br>To: <a href=3D"mailto:michael.orit=
t@gmail.com">michael.oritt@gmail.com</a><br>Subject: RE: [Healeys] Oil again=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I see I'm late to the party on this topic. I was up in the R=
ocky Mountains participating in the Glenwood Springs Rallye when it started a=
nd frankly I wish I still were. However, at the risk of being called ignoran=
t, uninformed, commie pinko or whatever I have a little information that may=
be of help in sorting out the oil confusion. <div><br></div><div>Engin=
e oil comes in generations as defined by the additive packages which are ble=
nded in to tailor them for specific purposes. These generations can be trace=
d by the API codes which are located on the container. </div><div><br><=
/div><div>The API code is two letters found on the label. <span style=3D=
"font-size:12pt;">The first letter is either a C, which denotes the oil is i=
ntended for use in a compression ignition engine, or an S which denotes it i=
s intended for use in a spark ignition engine.</span></div><div><br></div><d=
iv>The second letter denotes the type of use intended and follows the develo=
pment of the internal combustion engine from the most primitive (A) to the m=
ost sophisticated (I think they are at O Now). protective amounts of zinc we=
re dropped from the additive package at SM. Any oil before that, or say from=
SD through SL, still contains zinc.</div><div><br></div><div>It may be true=
that zinc is not necessary for engines after the camshaft break-in, but I p=
refer to be cautious on that score so I look for oil that is SL or earlier. I=
'll let the more informed and adventurous members conduct that experiment...=
</div><div><br></div><div>Some heavy duty oils such as Chevron Delo or Rotel=
la are rated for both compression ignition and for spark ignition service an=
d will show both a C and an S rating. In some cases those oils will still ha=
ve an SM or later rating.</div><div><br></div><div>The one oil type I have f=
ound that is reliably rated below SM is four stroke motorcycle oil because m=
otorcycles don't have catalysts. Typically it is rated SF or SG. <span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:12pt;">Since the oil has no way of knowing it is being run=
in an automotive engine and my Healey doesn't know the oil it's spewing is m=
eant for a motorcycle I have been running Castrol 4T in 20W-50 grade quite h=
appily.</span></div><div><br></div><div>As for the controversy part, if we s=
tart banning contentious topics we soon won't have anything to talk about li=
ke most modern college campuses.</div><div><br></div><div>Bill Lawrence</div=
><div>BN1 #554<br><br><div><hr id=3D"ecxstopSpelling">From: <a href=3D"mailt=
o:michael.oritt@gmail.com">michael.oritt@gmail.com</a><br>Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2=
015 06:14:11 -0400<br>To: <a href=3D"mailto:javrugtman@htcnet.org";>javrugtma=
n@htcnet.org</a><br>CC: <a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@au=
tox.team.net</a><br>Subject: Re: [Healeys] Oil again<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr"=
><div class=3D"ecxgmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff;">We ALWAYS talk abo=
ut oil and no one seems to have the answer, so we simply keep talking about i=
t. </div><div class=3D"ecxgmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff;">For a=
change let's talk about politics or religion, two topics which are suscepti=
ble to absolute rectitude. Many or most of us do not have the correct answer=
s on either and someone here--perhaps an unknown lurker--may choose to now c=
ome forward with his or her enlightenment and reveal it to us. <br></d=
iv><div class=3D"ecxgmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff;"><br></div><div c=
lass=3D"ecxgmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff;">To mix a metaphor, I now l=
isten with a jaundiced eye.</div><div class=3D"ecxgmail_default" style=3D"co=
lor:#3333ff;"><br></div><div class=3D"ecxgmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333=
ff;">Best--Michael Oritt </div></div><div class=3D"ecxgmail_extra"><br>=
<div class=3D"ecxgmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 7:45 PM, John Vrugtman=
<span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:javrugtman@htcnet.org"; target=3D"_b=
lank">javrugtman@htcnet.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"ec=
xgmail_quote" style=3D"border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
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politics and religion, like water and oil, don't mix. On the other=
hand, oil and Healeys mix very well.<br>
JAV<span><br>
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<div>On 6/12/2015 7:16 PM, Richard Kahn
wrote:<br>
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should be taboo. There is no best in any of these topics.<br>
Rich Kahn<br>
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