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Good afternoon
As with Bruce and Bob at rebuild of a BJ8 engine I added DWR hcpump in
2000, although I sold the car in 2016, I assume the current owner will
verify that oil pressure during driving still ranges from 55 to 60 psi
and at idle 20-25psi. As Michael has stated if the correct bearing
clearances were met during rebuild there should be no issues.
Cheers
Ed
E.A. Driver
Web master Saskatchewan British Car Club
Saskatoon, Saskatchewan
Canada
On 30/10/2018 9:52 AM, Bruce Steele wrote:
>
> I echo Bob?s comments. I?ve had the DWR high capacity pump for years.
>
> Bruce Steele
>
> Brea, CA
>
> 1960 BN7
>
> *From:*Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of
> *Bob Spidell
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 30, 2018 7:17 AM
> *To:* healeys@autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] oil pump
>
> I'll offer what I know/have heard*. I have the 'high capacity' type
> in my BJ8, which is what the DWR techs/sales people recommended for a
> road car. Older 6-cyl cars had a rotor type pump. They (the rotor
> type) are supposed to be more efficient--i.e. they pump more oil--at
> lower RPMs. At some point it was discovered, probably from service
> bay repairs, that this type of pump put an excessive shear load on the
> bevel gears on the cam that drive the pump, causing them to wear out.
> Later cars started getting the gear type pump, which is less efficient
> at lower RPMs but puts less of a load on the cam, and is probably less
> expensive to manufacture as well (esp. if the gears are the sintered
> iron variety). I think the bevel gears on the cams were
> re-engineered, IIRC they got an additional tooth to spread the load.
>
> The Welch HC pump is the rotor type. I did a full engine rebuild and
> installed the DWR HC pump; I didn't notice any pressure change worth
> mentioning--I 'gained' 15 PSI at idle when I had my gauge
> overhauled--but the 'high capacity' I believe refers to volume rather
> than pressure (which, of course, is mostly dictated by engine
> speed). The 'standard type' pump is a gear type, hence it's more
> appropriate for high-RPM race engines as pump flow is proportional to
> RPM, and at 6K RPM or more you'll get plenty of oil with less load
> from the gear type.
>
> I'm not positive, but if you look at the photos closely, you can see
> the 'gallery plug' on the top of the case. I suppose it allows
> inspection of the innards of the pump without having to break the
> case. I believe it's threaded so not likely to pop out. If you're
> getting a new pump you'll likely need a new drive shaft and,
> surprisingly, DWR sells it cheaper than our (US) vendors sell it at (I
> think they might import the DWR shaft).
>
> * apply appropriate grains of salt
>
> Bob
>
> On 10/30/2018 5:12 AM, simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com
>
> Hi,
>
> Has anyone got the Denis Welch oil pump ENG672M? See:-
>
>
> https://www.bighealey.co.uk/performance-parts/austin-healey/engines/3000-bottom-end?page=3
>
>
> Their text:- ?Heat treated castings for longer life and
> removable gallery plugs to be sure it is clean are advantages
> of both types of oil pumps we offer. We recommend the high
> capacity for all road engines using a standard type crank up
> to 6000 rpm and the standard pump for race engines, steel
> cranks or anything over 6000 rpm. Both are precision machined
> and assembled in-house to control the highest quality.
> - ENG672 is the standard type.
> - ENG672M is the high capacity pump.?
>
> What are ?removable gallery plugs??
>
> Is it just me or is the above a bit counter-intuitive? ?High
> capacity? for road cars and ?standard? for race engines? Surely
> the highest capacity is needed where the engine is working hardest
> ie racing?
>
> And don?t I remember that, with the standard BMC pumps, the older
> type is reckoned to be better than the newer type? Is this
> something similar to Denis Welch?s two pumps?
>
> Anyhow, if anyone?s got one?..what?s it like? Did the oil pressure
> improve at all?
>
> I?m guessing that most people will have fitted one as part of a
> big rebuild thus they won?t have straightforward ?before and
> after? comparisons. I?m thinking of fitting mine to my engine as
> part of a small winter project and hope I can squeeze a few more
> psi into the system.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Simon
>
>
>
>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Good afternoon<br>
As with Bruce and Bob at rebuild of a BJ8 engine I added DWR
hcpump in 2000, although I sold the car in 2016, I assume the
current owner will verify that oil pressure during driving still
ranges from 55 to 60 psi and at idle 20-25psi. As Michael has
stated if the correct bearing clearances were met during rebuild
there should be no issues.<br>
Cheers<br>
Ed<br>
<br>
E.A. Driver<br>
Web master Saskatchewan British Car Club<br>
Saskatoon, Saskatchewan<br>
Canada<br>
<br>
<br>
On 30/10/2018 9:52 AM, Bruce Steele wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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comments. I?ve had the DWR high capacity pump for
years.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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Steele<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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MS",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">1960 BN7<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="color:windowtext"> Healeys
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net";>mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of
</b>Bob Spidell<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 30, 2018 7:17 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] oil pump<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p>I'll offer what I know/have heard*. I have the 'high
capacity' type in my BJ8, which is what the DWR techs/sales
people recommended for a road car. Older 6-cyl cars had a
rotor type pump. They (the rotor type) are supposed to be
more efficient--i.e. they pump more oil--at lower RPMs. At
some point it was discovered, probably from service bay
repairs, that this type of pump put an excessive shear load on
the bevel gears on the cam that drive the pump, causing them
to wear out. Later cars started getting the gear type pump,
which is less efficient at lower RPMs but puts less of a load
on the cam, and is probably less expensive to manufacture as
well (esp. if the gears are the sintered iron variety). I
think the bevel gears on the cams were re-engineered, IIRC
they got an additional tooth to spread the load.<span
style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p>The Welch HC pump is the rotor type. I did a full engine
rebuild and installed the DWR HC pump; I didn't notice any
pressure change worth mentioning--I 'gained' 15 PSI at idle
when I had my gauge overhauled--but the 'high capacity' I
believe refers to volume rather than pressure (which, of
course, is mostly dictated by engine speed). The 'standard
type' pump is a gear type, hence it's more appropriate for
high-RPM race engines as pump flow is proportional to RPM, and
at 6K RPM or more you'll get plenty of oil with less load from
the gear type.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I'm not positive, but if you look at the photos closely, you
can see the 'gallery plug' on the top of the case. I suppose
it allows inspection of the innards of the pump without having
to break the case. I believe it's threaded so not likely to
pop out. If you're getting a new pump you'll likely need a
new drive shaft and, surprisingly, DWR sells it cheaper than
our (US) vendors sell it at (I think they might import the DWR
shaft).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">* apply
appropriate grains of salt<br>
<br>
Bob<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 10/30/2018 5:12 AM, <a
href="mailto:simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com";
moz-do-not-send="true">simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Has anyone got the Denis Welch oil pump
ENG672M? See:-<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a
href="https://www.bighealey.co.uk/performance-parts/austin-healey/engines/3000-bottom-end?page=3";
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.bighealey.co.uk/performance-parts/austin-healey/engines/3000-bottom-end?page=3</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<h2
style="mso-margin-top-alt:6.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:20.25pt">Their
text:- ?<span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#555555;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Heat
treated castings for longer life and removable gallery
plugs to be sure it is clean are advantages of both types
of oil pumps we offer. We recommend the high capacity for
all road engines using a standard type crank up to 6000
rpm and the standard pump for race engines, steel cranks
or anything over 6000 rpm. Both are precision machined and
assembled in-house to control the highest quality.<br>
</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#555555;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">-
ENG672 is the standard type.</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#555555;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><br>
- ENG672M is the high capacity pump.?</span><o:p></o:p></h2>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.75pt;line-height:14.4pt"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#555555;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">What
are ?removable gallery plugs??</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.75pt;line-height:14.4pt"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#555555;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Is
it just me or is the above a bit counter-intuitive? ?High
capacity? for road cars and ?standard? for race engines?
Surely the highest capacity is needed where the engine is
working hardest ie racing? </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.75pt;line-height:14.4pt"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#555555;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">And
don?t I remember that, with the standard BMC pumps, the
older type is reckoned to be better than the newer type?
Is this something similar to Denis Welch?s two
pumps?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.75pt;line-height:14.4pt"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#555555;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Anyhow,
if anyone?s got one?..what?s it like? Did the oil pressure
improve at all?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.75pt;line-height:14.4pt"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#555555;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">I?m
guessing that most people will have fitted one as part of
a big rebuild thus they won?t have straightforward ?before
and after? comparisons. I?m thinking of fitting mine to my
engine as part of a small winter project and hope I can
squeeze a few more psi into the system. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Simon<o:p></o:p></p>
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