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Re: [Healeys] Fuel pumps (AGAIN!)

To: "Al Fuller" <al@bighealey.org>, "'Kees Oudesluijs'" <coudesluijs@chello.nl>, <healeys@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Fuel pumps (AGAIN!)
From: "David Nock" <healeydoc@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 08:18:12 -0800
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We install and sell probably about 50  to 75 SU fuel pump a year with =
almost 0 returns. The only time when we had an issue with the SU pumps =
is when they first came out with the Positive Ground pumps.

The reason for this is they went backwards in time about 50 years.

Originally the pumps only had a set of points and no condensor. Then =
they installed a condensor in the early 50s to solve the pitting points =
and sticking problems they were having. These pumps were used thru the =
early 80=E2=80=99s with very few issues other than failures due to age. =
Sometime in the late 80=E2=80=99s or early 90=E2=80=99s there was a =
demand for originallity for a Positive Ground pump at the time the had =
changed from a condensor to a diode in across the points. So the answer =
to a Positive Ground pump was to remove the diode. This returned the =
pump the original design and they started having pump failures in the =
Positive ground pumps.

Then somewhere in the late 90=E2=80=99s they started installing a non =
polarity concious diode in all the pumps. Thus solving the problem with =
pump failure due to the points.=20

The one issue that we did find with the pumps in the late 90=E2=80=99s =
up until about 2005 was that the diaphgrams / points adjustments were =
incorrect. So we would always pull all of our pumps apart and re adjust =
the points to the factory settings as per SU.



David Nock
healeydoc@sbcglobal.net
209 948 8767
www.britishcarspecialists.com

Help us have our Founder Norman Nock inducteed into the=20
British Sportscar Hall of Fame, You can vote for your favorites=20
by visiting the site at.
www.britishsportscarhall.org


From: Al Fuller=20
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 5:55 AM
To: 'Kees Oudesluijs' ; healeys@autox.team.net=20
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Fuel pumps (AGAIN!)

Kees:  I wonder whether you can confirm that you really intended below =
to refer to the experiences of those who have had issues as =
=E2=80=9Csome of you claim=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D? =20

=20

If the SU-pumps would have been so unreliable as some of you claim, they =
would not have been used on such a large scale. Many millions of cars =
have had them in the 1930=C2=B4s through to the 1990=C2=B4s, from the =
humble Morris Minor to Rolls Royce.

Sounds like you doubt people=E2=80=99s =E2=80=9Cclaims=E2=80=9D to have =
been stuck on the side of the road, or under a teetering car with =
traffic passing by =E2=80=93 covered in gasoline, or spending time in =
hotel rooms working on fuel pumps, etc.  As I said =E2=80=93 just =
wondering whether you can confirm your intent=E2=80=A6

=20

Al Fuller

=20

'65 BJ-8

'85 Rx-7

=20

From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kees =
Oudesluijs
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 5:15 AM
To: healeys@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Fuel pumps (AGAIN!)

=20

It is not uncommon that a car=C2=B4s service sheet also included the =
SU-pump (clean the points every service), e.g. Lotus Eclat/Elite. =
However I never did and I have had no problems. I used my car as a daily =
driver but it had to live outside all year. Nowadays the car is pampered =
in a heated garage and is mainly driven when the weather is suitable for =
open top driving except for long trips abroad.

The pressure delivered by an SU-pump depends on where the pump is =
situated. If it is fitted under the bonnet it should be a so called =
low-pressure or suction pump delivering 1,8psi (e.g. some Austin-Healey =
Sprite/Mg Midget). You can often recognise this pump by the 2BA screw =
(same size as the screws that hold the coil housing to the pump body) on =
the coil housing for the earth spade. If the pump is fitted near the =
petrol tank it should be a so-called pressure pump delivering 2,7psi =
(e.g. MGB) or 3,8psi (Austin-Healey 3000, Jaguar 6-cyl. cars MkII, =
E-type etc., Triumph Stag, Jensen-Healey a.o.). The high pressure pumps =
can be recognised by a smaller 4BA screw for the earth spade. The =
pressure is fixed and is controlled by the spring fitted under the =
diaphragm.  All pumps are identical as far as the coil housing, points =
system, diaphragm are concerned. The differences are in the pump body =
but this has no effect on the pressure, mainly on the variation of =
delivery pressure and flow rate. Some cars have the h.p. pump fitted on =
the chassis open to the elements (e.g. MGB, A-H), others have it =
protected in the boot (e.g. J-H).

There are three types of spring, the low pressure 1,8psi spring can be =
easily recognised as the wire is rather thin and it has more coils, the =
2,7 an3,8psi springs have less coils and look identical to each other =
but the 3,8psi spring is slightly thicker and should have a (faint) dab =
of red paint.

If the SU-pumps would have been so unreliable as some of you claim, they =
would not have been used on such a large scale. Many millions of cars =
have had them in the 1930=C2=B4s through to the 1990=C2=B4s, from the =
humble Morris Minor to Rolls Royce.

Sure, the early ones did wear the points rather quickly because of =
arcing/spark erosion, but this was counteracted by proper maintenance =
which was usually every 1000 to 3000miles in the 30=C2=B4s up to the =
50=C2=B4s. The wear was significantly reduced by using a simple =
capacitor (very like the capacitor in the points distributor), then a =
diode and lately Burlen fitting a transil. The pumps are dual polarity =
except when a diode is fitted.=20

However spark erosion is not the main problem, that is electrolytic =
corrosion due to lack of use and dampish conditions under the cover =
because of improper ventilation like no tubes connected from the pump to =
a dry area of the car (boot) or no rubber band or friction tape on the =
joint of the cover and coil housing or damp storage.

I am not sure if the quality of the points you buy today is less than =
the old ones. I have never used them. I still have NOS points to replace =
worn points, but more often than once cleaning and repolishing the old =
points will do.

=20

Kees Oudesluijs

  Not trying to reinvent the wheel, David, just get a fuel pump that =
lasts.  Others have had good service from points pumps like you, but I =
haven't.  I'm not doing anything unusual; if you get them installed and =
they don't leak and they run that's about all you can do--there's no =
trick or secret to installing them that I know of.  Mine just keep =
failing, with between a few hundred and up to 15K miles of service (this =
over about 140,000 miles I've put on my BJ8).   I will say I have driven =
through some serious downpours, so water entry into the switching =
compartment could be a problem, but some of the failures didn't get =
drowned.

  The points can be problematic, else SU wouldn't have gone from:

  1) no arc suppression

  2) capacitor arc suppression

  3) diode arc suppression

  That is to say, SU wouldn't have gone to the expense and labor of =
installing capacitors and diodes if there wasn't some issue with =
reliability or longevity.  I tried all three, with results as noted.  =
I've installed the out-of-the-box, rebuilt and adjusted them myself, =
installed SS switching mechanism, used capacitors, diodes, TVSes, =
transistors and installed SU electronic out-of-the box with predictable =
results.  I do recall your dad either writing or saying that they used =
to take the pumps out and service them--cleaning the points and =
adjusting the mechanism I presume--at 15K mile service when he worked at =
BMC (or was it BL, don't recall), so they aren't typically bulletproof =
forever.  =20

  Maybe I pissed the SU gods off somehow; though both my sets of SU =
carbs have been all but bulletproof, and the basic points-type in my BN2 =
has worked for a few hundred miles.

  Bob

  On 11/28/2018 9:50 AM, healeydoc@gmail.com wrote:

    I do not understand the problem with the SU pump that everyone feels =
that they have to re invent the wheel. I have using the standard SU pump =
with points in my Healey for almost 75000 miles and never had a failure. =


    =20

    We also have been installing the standard SU points pump here at the =
shop on every car we do for over 40 years=20

    Everything from Healey=E2=80=99s, MG=E2=80=99s and Jaguar=E2=80=99s =
and had very few failures.

    =20

    =20

    =20

    David Nock
    healeydoc@sbcglobal.net
    209 948 8767
    www.britishcarspecialists.com

    Help us have our Founder Norman Nock inducteed into the=20
    British Sportscar Hall of Fame, You can vote for your favorites=20
    by visiting the site at.
    www.britishsportscarhall.org

    =20





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<DIV>We install and sell probably about 50&nbsp; to 75 SU fuel pump a =
year with=20
almost 0 returns. The only time when we had an issue with the SU pumps =
is when=20
they first came out with the Positive Ground pumps.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>The reason for this is they went backwards in time about 50 =
years.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Originally the pumps only had a set of points and no condensor. =
Then they=20
installed a condensor in the early 50s to solve the pitting points and =
sticking=20
problems they were having. These pumps were used thru the early =
80=E2=80=99s with very=20
few issues other than failures due to age. Sometime in the late =
80=E2=80=99s or early=20
90=E2=80=99s there was a demand for originallity for a Positive Ground =
pump at the time=20
the had changed from a condensor to a diode in across the points. So the =
answer=20
to a Positive Ground pump was to remove the diode. This returned the =
pump the=20
original design and they started having pump failures in the Positive =
ground=20
pumps.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Then somewhere in the late 90=E2=80=99s they started installing a =
non polarity=20
concious diode in all the pumps. Thus solving the problem with pump =
failure due=20
to the points. </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>The one issue that we did find with the pumps in the late =
90=E2=80=99s up until=20
about 2005 was that the diaphgrams / points adjustments were incorrect. =
So we=20
would always pull all of our pumps apart and re adjust the points to the =
factory=20
settings as per SU.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Century'; COLOR: =
#000000">David=20
Nock<BR>healeydoc@sbcglobal.net<BR>209 948=20
8767<BR>www.britishcarspecialists.com<BR><BR>Help us have our Founder =
Norman=20
Nock inducteed into the <BR>British Sportscar Hall of Fame, You can vote =
for=20
your favorites <BR>by visiting the site=20
at.<BR>www.britishsportscarhall.org<BR></DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: =
"Calibri"; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; =
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #f5f5f5">
<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A =
title=3Dal@bighealey.org=20
href=3D"mailto:al@bighealey.org";>Al Fuller</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, November 29, 2018 5:55 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dcoudesluijs@chello.nl=20
href=3D"mailto:coudesluijs@chello.nl";>'Kees Oudesluijs'</A> ; <A=20
title=3Dhealeys@autox.team.net=20
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Healeys] Fuel pumps (AGAIN!)</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: =
"Calibri"; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; =
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif; COLOR: =
#1f497d'>Kees:&nbsp;=20
I wonder whether you can confirm that you really intended below to refer =
to the=20
experiences of those who have had issues as =E2=80=9Csome of you =
claim=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D?&nbsp;=20
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif; COLOR: =
#1f497d'><o:p></o:p></SPAN>&nbsp;</P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in">If the SU-pumps would have been so =
unreliable as=20
some of you claim, they would not have been used on such a large scale. =
Many=20
millions of cars have had them in the 1930=C2=B4s through to the =
1990=C2=B4s, from the=20
humble Morris Minor to Rolls Royce.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif; COLOR: =
#1f497d'>Sounds=20
like you doubt people=E2=80=99s =E2=80=9Cclaims=E2=80=9D to have been =
stuck on the side of the road, or=20
under a teetering car with traffic passing by =E2=80=93 covered in =
gasoline, or spending=20
time in hotel rooms working on fuel pumps, etc.&nbsp; As I said =
=E2=80=93 just wondering=20
whether you can confirm your intent=E2=80=A6<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif; COLOR: =
#1f497d'><o:p></o:p></SPAN>&nbsp;</P>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif; COLOR: =
#1f497d'>Al=20
Fuller</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><o:p></o:p>&nbsp;</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif; COLOR: =
#1f497d'>'65=20
BJ-8</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif; COLOR: =
#1f497d'>'85=20
Rx-7</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif; COLOR: =
#1f497d'><o:p></o:p></SPAN>&nbsp;</P>
<DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BORDER-TOP: #e1e1e1 1pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; =
BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-TOP: 3pt; =
PADDING-LEFT: 0in; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in">
<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif; COLOR: =
windowtext'>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif; COLOR: =
windowtext'>=20
Healeys [<A=20
href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net";>mailto:healeys-bounces@aut=
ox.team.net</A>]=20
<B>On Behalf Of </B>Kees Oudesluijs<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, November =
29, 2018=20
5:15 AM<BR><B>To:</B> <A=20
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</A><BR><B>S=
ubject:</B>=20
Re: [Healeys] Fuel pumps (AGAIN!)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><o:p></o:p>&nbsp;</P>
<P>It is not uncommon that a car=C2=B4s service sheet also included the =
SU-pump=20
(clean the points every service), e.g. Lotus Eclat/Elite. However I =
never did=20
and I have had no problems. I used my car as a daily driver but it had =
to live=20
outside all year. Nowadays the car is pampered in a heated garage and is =
mainly=20
driven when the weather is suitable for open top driving except for long =
trips=20
abroad.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P>The pressure delivered by an SU-pump depends on where the pump is =
situated.=20
If it is fitted under the bonnet it should be a so called low-pressure =
or=20
suction pump delivering 1,8psi (e.g. some Austin-Healey Sprite/Mg =
Midget). You=20
can often recognise this pump by the 2BA screw (same size as the screws =
that=20
hold the coil housing to the pump body) on the coil housing for the =
earth spade.=20
If the pump is fitted near the petrol tank it should be a so-called =
pressure=20
pump delivering 2,7psi (e.g. MGB) or 3,8psi (Austin-Healey 3000, Jaguar =
6-cyl.=20
cars MkII, E-type etc., Triumph Stag, Jensen-Healey a.o.). The high =
pressure=20
pumps can be recognised by a smaller 4BA screw for the earth spade. The =
pressure=20
is fixed and is controlled by the spring fitted under the =
diaphragm.&nbsp; All=20
pumps are identical as far as the coil housing, points system, diaphragm =
are=20
concerned. The differences are in the pump body but this has no effect =
on the=20
pressure, mainly on the variation of delivery pressure and flow rate. =
Some cars=20
have the h.p. pump fitted on the chassis open to the elements (e.g. MGB, =
A-H),=20
others have it protected in the boot (e.g. J-H).<o:p></o:p></P>
<P>There are three types of spring, the low pressure 1,8psi spring can =
be easily=20
recognised as the wire is rather thin and it has more coils, the 2,7 =
an3,8psi=20
springs have less coils and look identical to each other but the 3,8psi =
spring=20
is slightly thicker and should have a (faint) dab of red =
paint.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P>If the SU-pumps would have been so unreliable as some of you claim, =
they=20
would not have been used on such a large scale. Many millions of cars =
have had=20
them in the 1930=C2=B4s through to the 1990=C2=B4s, from the humble =
Morris Minor to Rolls=20
Royce.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P>Sure, the early ones did wear the points rather quickly because of=20
arcing/spark erosion, but this was counteracted by proper maintenance =
which was=20
usually every 1000 to 3000miles in the 30=C2=B4s up to the 50=C2=B4s. =
The wear was=20
significantly reduced by using a simple capacitor (very like the =
capacitor in=20
the points distributor), then a diode and lately Burlen fitting a =
transil. The=20
pumps are dual polarity except when a diode is fitted. <o:p></o:p></P>
<P>However spark erosion is not the main problem, that is electrolytic =
corrosion=20
due to lack of use and dampish conditions under the cover because of =
improper=20
ventilation like no tubes connected from the pump to a dry area of the =
car=20
(boot) or no rubber band or friction tape on the joint of the cover and =
coil=20
housing or damp storage.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P>I am not sure if the quality of the points you buy today is less than =
the old=20
ones. I have never used them. I still have NOS points to replace worn =
points,=20
but more often than once cleaning and repolishing the old points will=20
do.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P><o:p></o:p>&nbsp;</P>
<P>Kees Oudesluijs<o:p></o:p></P>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt; MARGIN-TOP: 5pt">
  <P>Not trying to reinvent the wheel, David, just get a fuel pump that=20
  lasts.&nbsp; Others have had good service from points pumps like you, =
but I=20
  haven't.&nbsp; I'm not doing anything unusual; if you get them =
installed and=20
  they don't leak and they run that's about all you can do--there's no =
trick or=20
  secret to installing them that I know of.&nbsp; Mine just keep =
failing, with=20
  between a few hundred and up to 15K miles of service (this over about =
140,000=20
  miles I've put on my BJ8).&nbsp;&nbsp; I will say I have driven =
through some=20
  serious downpours, so water entry into the switching compartment could =
be a=20
  problem, but some of the failures didn't get drowned.<o:p></o:p></P>
  <P>The points can be problematic, else SU wouldn't have gone=20
  from:<o:p></o:p></P>
  <P>1) no arc suppression<o:p></o:p></P>
  <P>2) capacitor arc suppression<o:p></o:p></P>
  <P>3) diode arc suppression<o:p></o:p></P>
  <P>That is to say, SU wouldn't have gone to the expense and labor of=20
  installing capacitors and diodes if there wasn't some issue with =
reliability=20
  or longevity.&nbsp; I tried all three, with results as noted.&nbsp; =
I've=20
  installed the out-of-the-box, rebuilt and adjusted them myself, =
installed SS=20
  switching mechanism, used capacitors, diodes, TVSes, transistors and =
installed=20
  SU electronic out-of-the box with predictable results.&nbsp; I do =
recall your=20
  dad either writing or saying that they used to take the pumps out and =
service=20
  them--cleaning the points and adjusting the mechanism I presume--at =
15K mile=20
  service when he worked at BMC (or was it BL, don't recall), so they =
aren't=20
  typically bulletproof forever.&nbsp;&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></P>
  <P>Maybe I pissed the SU gods off somehow; though both my sets of SU =
carbs=20
  have been all but bulletproof, and the basic points-type in my BN2 has =
worked=20
  for a few hundred miles.<o:p></o:p></P>
  <P>Bob<o:p></o:p></P>
  <DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal>On 11/28/2018 9:50 AM, <A=20
  href=3D"mailto:healeydoc@gmail.com";>healeydoc@gmail.com</A>=20
  wrote:<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt; MARGIN-TOP: 5pt">
    <DIV>
    <DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-FAMILY: "Century",serif'>I =
do not=20
    understand the problem with the SU pump that everyone feels that =
they have=20
    to re invent the wheel. I have using the standard SU pump with =
points in my=20
    Healey for almost 75000 miles and never had a failure.=20
    <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
    style=3D'FONT-FAMILY: =
"Century",serif'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-FAMILY: "Century",serif'>We =
also have=20
    been installing the standard SU points pump here at the shop on =
every car we=20
    do for over 40 years <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-FAMILY: =
"Century",serif'>Everything=20
    from Healey=E2=80=99s, MG=E2=80=99s and Jaguar=E2=80=99s and had =
very few=20
    failures.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
    style=3D'FONT-FAMILY: =
"Century",serif'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
    style=3D'FONT-FAMILY: =
"Century",serif'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
    style=3D'FONT-FAMILY: =
"Century",serif'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-FAMILY: =
"Century",serif'>David=20
    Nock<BR></SPAN><A href=3D"mailto:healeydoc@sbcglobal.net";><SPAN=20
    style=3D'FONT-FAMILY: =
"Century",serif'>healeydoc@sbcglobal.net</SPAN></A><SPAN=20
    style=3D'FONT-FAMILY: "Century",serif'><BR>209 948 8767<BR></SPAN><A =

    href=3D"http://www.britishcarspecialists.com";><SPAN=20
    style=3D'FONT-FAMILY: =
"Century",serif'>www.britishcarspecialists.com</SPAN></A><SPAN=20
    style=3D'FONT-FAMILY: "Century",serif'><BR><BR>Help us have our =
Founder Norman=20
    Nock inducteed into the <BR>British Sportscar Hall of Fame, You can =
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"Century",serif'>www.britishsportscarhall.org</SPAN></A><SPAN=20
    style=3D'FONT-FAMILY: "Century",serif'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
    style=3D'FONT-FAMILY: =
"Century",serif'><o:p></o:p></SPAN>&nbsp;</P></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
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