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Richard / Listers
The earlier factory service manual states the following regarding tightenin=
g the hub nut:
=E2=80=9CTighten up the nut until the hub is fully home, and then secure by=
tapping down the lock washer on one of the flats of the nut.=E2=80=9D
So it would appear the intent is to have no detectable float in the hub (if=
there is real detectable float of the hub on the stub there is a bigger pr=
oblem since you need a puller to pull the hub off) but not torque the nut t=
o any more than snug. Maybe we would not need those amazing =E2=80=9Cnew=E2=
=80=9D tools if things were done like the factory recommended. The Hub loc=
k washer is the key to hold things in place.=20
Not saying that things don=E2=80=99t go south quickly when parts are old or=
worn or that folks have not suffered loss because a bent piece of sheet st=
eel (lock washer) failed but the factory that built these cars for 14 years=
probably envisioned and experienced the possibilities including having reg=
ular inspection and maintenance.
Perry
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: richard mayor
Sent: Monday, July 1, 2019 9:04 PM
To: Austin Healey
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Nothing Goes Right
Where does it say that the retaining nut should be torqued to 150 ft lbs.=
=C2=A0 I'm guessing, but I'd say I have routinely torqued that nut to aroun=
d 50 to 60 ft lbs at the most. Never had a problem and that=C2=A0 is on my =
race car that I have raced pretty hard for over 30 years. That also include=
s a time when I sheared off an axle flange during a race.=C2=A0 So I would =
say I have stressed those rear hubs pretty hard
On Sun, Jun 30, 2019 at 8:29 PM Michael Oritt <michael.oritt@gmail.com> wro=
te:
I am only seeing Michael MacLean's side of the conversations, not Michael S=
alter's.=C2=A0 I would appreciate it if one of you could favor us with Mich=
ael Salter's messages so we will know what he suggested.
Best--Michael Oritt
On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 12:39 PM Michael MacLean <rrengineer.mike@att.net> =
wrote:
That would be awesome!=C2=A0 Just not something you are going to see in the=
Sears tool department.
Mike M
On Wednesday, June 26, 2019, 6:29:56 AM PDT, Michael Salter <michaelsalter@=
gmail.com> wrote:=20
This is what you need. 1 end octagonal for BN2 and later the other hex for =
BN1.
M
On Wed, Jun 26, 2019, 8:54 AM Charles Schott, <schottc@knology.net> wrote:
I bought that socket from Moss and used an impact gun to loosen the nuts. I=
t nearly wallowed out the square hole. A very soft metal. Once I get the nu=
ts back on, I will return it to Moss as defective.
Regards,
Charlie Schott
From: "Michael MacLean" <rrengineer.mike@att.net>
To: "Healeys" <healeys@autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 3:36:49 AM
Subject: [Healeys] Nothing Goes Right
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I ordered the 8 point 2 3/16" hub nut wrench from Moss s=
o I can torque the hub nut down.=C2=A0 The 2 13/64ths tube wrench I have is=
too big and just slips off when I apply any pressure to the nut.=C2=A0 I'l=
l never get it torqued down that way.=C2=A0 I called the Moss tech line to =
ask if the new flimsy looking tube hub nut wrench they now sell will let me=
torque the nut to 150 ft lbs.=C2=A0 Almost before I could finish asking hi=
m, he said, "that's what we designed it for!"=C2=A0 I am not convinced.=C2=
=A0 Go to the online Moss catalog and look at part number 384-907.=C2=A0 Te=
ll me that looks like a tool you can put a lot of torque on a 1/4" thick nu=
t.
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Now look at the picture I have included in this em=
ail.=C2=A0 I want to install my nice re-chromed emergency brake handle and =
new emergency brake cable.=C2=A0 If you look at the restored handle on the =
left you may notice something odd.=C2=A0 The ratchet plate that bolts to th=
e tunnel is for a handbrake that is installed on the driver's side of the t=
unnel.=C2=A0 Only problem is, the BN2 emergency brake handle is on the pass=
enger side.=C2=A0 I have a good parts brake handle, (the handle on the righ=
t in the picture) at least I thought I did.=C2=A0 The ratchet plate is corr=
oded solid on the shaft.=C2=A0 I have been soaking it in PB Blaster for a c=
ouple of days.=C2=A0 I think it is going to need a blue wrench.=C2=A0 Of co=
urse I don't have one.
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Every thing I do to this car to put it back togeth=
er is a fight.=C2=A0 Nothing is easy, nothing goes right.=C2=A0 So, I am lo=
oking for a emergency brake handle ratchet plate like the one on the right =
in my picture.=C2=A0 I'm willing to pay.=C2=A0=20
Mike MacLean
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ss=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>Richard / Listers</p><p class=3DMsoN=
ormal>The earlier factory service manual states the following regarding tig=
htening the hub nut:</p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=
=3DMsoNormal>=E2=80=9CTighten up the nut until the hub is fully home, and t=
hen secure by tapping down the lock washer on one of the flats of the nut.=
=E2=80=9D</p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal=
>So it would appear the intent is to have no detectable float in the hub (i=
f there is real detectable float of the hub on the stub there is a bigger p=
roblem since you need a puller to pull the hub off) but not torque the nut =
to any more than snug. Maybe we would not need those amazing =E2=80=9Cnew=
=E2=80=9D tools if things were done like the factory recommended.=C2=A0 The=
Hub lock washer is the key to hold things in place. </p><p class=3DMsoNorm=
al><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Not saying that things don=E2=
=80=99t go south quickly when parts are old or worn or that folks have not =
suffered loss because a bent piece of sheet steel (lock washer) failed but =
the factory that built these cars for 14 years probably envisioned and expe=
rienced the possibilities including having regular inspection and maintenan=
ce.</p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Perry</p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p>=
</p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Sent from <a href=3D"https://go.microsoft=
.com/fwlink/?LinkId=3D550986">Mail</a> for Windows 10</p><p class=3DMsoNorm=
al><o:p> </o:p></p><div style=3D'mso-element:para-border-div;border:no=
ne;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMso=
Normal style=3D'border:none;padding:0in'><b>From: </b><a href=3D"mailto:boy=
racer466@gmail.com">richard mayor</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Monday, July 1, 2019 =
9:04 PM<br><b>To: </b><a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>Austin Heal=
ey</a><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Healeys] Nothing Goes Right</p></div><p clas=
s=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Where does it =
say that the retaining nut should be torqued to 150 ft lbs. I'm guess=
ing, but I'd say I have routinely torqued that nut to around 50 to 60 ft lb=
s at the most. Never had a problem and that is on my race car that I =
have raced pretty hard for over 30 years. That also includes a time when I =
sheared off an axle flange during a race. So I would say I have stres=
sed those rear hubs pretty hard</p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </=
o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On Sun, Jun 30, 2019 at 8:29 PM Mich=
ael Oritt <<a href=3D"mailto:michael.oritt@gmail.com";>michael.oritt@gmai=
l.com</a>> wrote:</p></div><blockquote style=3D'border:none;border-left:=
solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-righ=
t:0in'><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#3333FF'>I am on=
ly seeing Michael MacLean's side of the conversations, not Michael Salter's=
. I would appreciate it if one of you could favor us with Michael Sal=
ter's messages so we will know what he suggested.<o:p></o:p></span></p></di=
v><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#3333FF'><o:p> </o:p>=
</span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#3333FF'>Be=
st--Michael Oritt<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:=
p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 12=
:39 PM Michael MacLean <<a href=3D"mailto:rrengineer.mike@att.net"; targe=
t=3D"_blank">rrengineer.mike@att.net</a>> wrote:</p></div><blockquote st=
yle=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0p=
t;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><=
span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>That wo=
uld be awesome! Just not something you are going to see in the Sears =
tool department.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span=
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Mike M<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:1=
2.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></di=
v></div><div id=3D"gmail-m_-8376034379138262646gmail-m_-6843211637560940448=
yahoo_quoted_2022539433"><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font=
-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>On Wednesday=
, June 26, 2019, 6:29:56 AM PDT, Michael Salter <<a href=3D"mailto:micha=
elsalter@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">michaelsalter@gmail.com</a>> wrote=
: </span><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif=
;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span=
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A=
'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p=
> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div id=3D"gmail-m_-8376034379138262646g=
mail-m_-6843211637560940448yiv1766438285"><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><s=
pan style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#262=
82A'>This is what you need. 1 end octagonal for BN2 and later the other hex=
for BN1.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'fon=
t-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>M<o:p></o:p=
></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0p=
t;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span=
></p><div><div id=3D"gmail-m_-8376034379138262646gmail-m_-68432116375609404=
48yiv1766438285yqt65967"><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size=
:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>On Wed, Jun 26, 2=
019, 8:54 AM Charles Schott, <<a href=3D"mailto:schottc@knology.net"; tar=
get=3D"_blank">schottc@knology.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></di=
v><blockquote style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:=
0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><div><p cla=
ss=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman=
",serif;color:black'>I bought that socket from Moss and used an impact gun =
to loosen the nuts. It nearly wallowed out the square hole. A very soft met=
al. Once I get the nuts back on, I will return it to Moss as defective.<o:p=
></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:=
12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></=
span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;fo=
nt-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></=
p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-fami=
ly:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><=
div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times=
New Roman",serif;color:black'>Charlie Schott<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><d=
iv><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times =
New Roman",serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=3D=
MsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",ser=
if;color:black'><img border=3D0 width=3D689 height=3D1 style=3D'width:7.177=
in;height:.0104in' id=3D"Horizontal_x0020_Line_x0020_1" src=3D"cid:image001=
.png@01D53056.82D3D8A0"></span><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:=
"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3D=
MsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-s=
erif;color:black'>From: </span></b><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-fam=
ily:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>"Michael MacLean" <<a =
href=3D"mailto:rrengineer.mike@att.net"; target=3D"_blank">rrengineer.mike@a=
tt.net</a>><br><b>To: </b>"Healeys" <<a href=3D"mailto:heal=
eys@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>><br><b>=
Sent: </b>Wednesday, June 26, 2019 3:36:49 AM<br><b>Subject: </b>[Healeys] =
Nothing Goes Right<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span sty=
le=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p=
> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D=
'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'> &n=
bsp; I ordered the 8 point 2 3/16" hub nut wrench from Moss so I=
can torque the hub nut down. The 2 13/64ths tube wrench I have is to=
o big and just slips off when I apply any pressure to the nut. I'll n=
ever get it torqued down that way. I called the Moss tech line to ask=
if the new flimsy looking tube hub nut wrench they now sell will let me to=
rque the nut to 150 ft lbs. Almost before I could finish asking him, =
he said, "that's what we designed it for!" I am not convinc=
ed. Go to the online Moss catalog and look at part number 384-907.&nb=
sp; Tell me that looks like a tool you can put a lot of torque on a 1/4&quo=
t; thick nut.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span st=
yle=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'>&n=
bsp; Now look at the picture I have included in this emai=
l. I want to install my nice re-chromed emergency brake handle and ne=
w emergency brake cable. If you look at the restored handle on the le=
ft you may notice something odd. The ratchet plate that bolts to the =
tunnel is for a handbrake that is installed on the driver's side of the tun=
nel. Only problem is, the BN2 emergency brake handle is on the passen=
ger side. I have a good parts brake handle, (the handle on the right =
in the picture) at least I thought I did. The ratchet plate is corrod=
ed solid on the shaft. I have been soaking it in PB Blaster for a cou=
ple of days. I think it is going to need a blue wrench. Of cour=
se I don't have one.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><=
span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:bl=
ack'> Every thing I do to this car to put it back t=
ogether is a fight. Nothing is easy, nothing goes right. So, I =
am looking for a emergency brake handle ratchet plate like the one on the r=
ight in my picture. I'm willing to pay. <o:p></o:p></span></p><=
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