Re: [Healeys] Another Rant on replacement parts

[Gary Anderson via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>]

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Whatever works for you. Thank goodness David Nock can act as an intermediary=
.
Gary

Gary Anderson=20


> On Jul 14, 2019, at 12:26 PM, Michael MacLean <rrengineer.mike@att.net> wr=
ote:
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> On the other hand I can't afford a Mercedes Benz restoration.  Don't get m=
e wrong, it is just great that Mercedes has a "classic" parts counter, but y=
ou pay the same high prices for classic parts as  parts for a new Mercedes. =
 So, I'll just bumble along making the poor fitting repop parts fit and work=
 properly.  After all, they are not THAT bad, but let's not speak of the rub=
ber stuff.
> Mike MacLean
>=20
> On Sunday, July 14, 2019, 12:09:00 PM PDT, i erbs <eyera3000@gmail.com> wr=
ote:
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> Well said Gary.
> If I buy cheap, I expect issues, but some times I have more time than mone=
y.
> That said, Moss will ship parts it knows are not right or poor quality and=
 that is a bigger issue.
> I bought an aluminum valve cover through a local vender who pays for shipp=
ing. When it arrived it had gouges from the polishing process. He sent it ba=
ck. When he asked to check the inventory before sending a replacement, he wa=
s told that all of them looked the same and did he want them to ship another=
 one for me?
> That is a bigger concern.
>=20
> Ira Erbs
> Portland, OR
> typos and artifacts are the fault of my phone
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> On Sun, Jul 14, 2019, 11:38 AM editorgary--- via Healeys <healeys@autox.te=
am.net> wrote:
> Frankly, I don't and never have accepted the lame excuse from Moss Motors (=
in whatever ownership/management incarnation) that they have to provide ill-=
fitting, unsuitable poor-wearing and out-of-spec parts because a contingent o=
f our hobby "won't pay the higher price for quality parts."
>=20
> In my view, the near-monopoly supplier of parts for our hobby should be pr=
oviding replacements that in fit, material and quality match the original pa=
rts and that is the only level of quality that they will sell. When they sel=
l poor parts just because the supplier makes them for less and charges less,=
 then they undermine the respectability of the original marque around which t=
he hobby was built and leave people believing that Healeys -- and by extensi=
on all "old English cars" were of poor quality and reliability when they wer=
e originally built.=20
>=20
> Provide good quality that produces good performance and it will be reflect=
ed in the prices of the cars on the market. There is a reason why Mercedes-B=
enz models that once cost the same as our cars of the same vintage are now w=
orth more on the market than our cars. It's because the primary supplier of r=
eplacement parts for Mercedes-Benzes is Daimler AG and they will only sell p=
arts that are of equivalent quality to the originals. For those hobbyists wh=
o find those prices unacceptable, they can substitute sweat equity in huntin=
g for parts off unrestorable examples.=20
>=20
> Just one person's opinion, mind you, but I have first-hand experience in r=
estoring, driving and buying/selling both brands.
>=20
> Best
> Gary Anderson
>=20
>=20
>=20
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>     As far as repops go, I asked a Moss rep one time why a lot of the repr=
oduction parts and the rubber was so bad and did not fit well.  He told me t=
hat he could sell better parts for our cars but very few people will buy the=
m.  If he lists both a premium part and a cheaper version, almost 95% will b=
uy the cheap part. It would be foolish to inventory such slow moving parts, s=
o they sell what the majority will buy.  Everyone wants the parts to be chea=
p.  S
>=20
>     So, I guess you get what you pay for.
>=20
> Mike MacLean
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Whatever works for you. Thank goodness Davi=
d Nock can act as an intermediary.<div>Gary<br><br><div id=3D"AppleMailSigna=
ture" dir=3D"ltr">Gary Anderson&nbsp;<div><br></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><=
br>On Jul 14, 2019, at 12:26 PM, Michael MacLean &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rreng=
ineer.mike@att.net">rrengineer.mike@att.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blo=
ckquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"ydpf7d533f7yahoo-style-=
wrap" style=3D"font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size=
:16px;"><div></div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">On the other hand I can't aff=
ord a Mercedes Benz restoration.&nbsp; Don't get me wrong, it is just great t=
hat Mercedes has a "classic" parts counter, but you pay the same high prices=
 for classic parts as&nbsp; parts for a new Mercedes.&nbsp; So, I'll just bu=
mble along making the poor fitting repop parts fit and work properly.&nbsp; A=
fter all, they are not THAT bad, but let's not speak of the rubber stuff.</d=
iv><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Mike MacLean<br></div><div><br></d=
iv>
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                    On Sunday, July 14, 2019, 12:09:00 PM PDT, i erbs &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:eyera3000@gmail.com";>eyera3000@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
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                <div><div id=3D"yiv9067028956"><div><div>Well said Gary.<div=
>If I buy cheap, I expect issues, but some times I have more time than money=
.</div><div>That said, Moss will ship parts it knows are not right or poor q=
uality and that is a bigger issue.</div><div>I bought an aluminum valve cove=
r through a local vender who pays for shipping. When it arrived it had gouge=
s from the polishing process. He sent it back. When he asked to check the in=
ventory before sending a replacement, he was told that all of them looked th=
e same and did he want them to ship another one for me?</div><div>That is a b=
igger concern.<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><div>Ira Erbs<br clear=3D=
"none">Portland, OR<br clear=3D"none">typos and artifacts are the fault of m=
y phone</div></div></div><br clear=3D"none"><div class=3D"yiv9067028956gmail=
_quote"><div class=3D"yiv9067028956yqt0903457461" id=3D"yiv9067028956yqt1233=
0"><div class=3D"yiv9067028956gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Sun, Jul 14, 2019, 1=
1:38 AM editorgary--- via Healeys &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" yma=
ilto=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:heal=
eys@autox.team.net">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none">=
</div><blockquote class=3D"yiv9067028956gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .=
8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
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<div> <font size=3D"2">Frankly, I don't and never have accepted the lame exc=
use from Moss Motors (in whatever ownership/management incarnation) that the=
y have to provide ill-fitting, unsuitable poor-wearing and out-of-spec parts=
 because a contingent of our hobby "won't pay the higher price for quality p=
arts."</font></div>

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<div><font size=3D"2">In my view, the near-monopoly supplier of parts for ou=
r hobby should be providing replacements that in fit, material and quality m=
atch the original parts and that is the only level of quality that they will=
 sell. When they sell poor parts just because the supplier makes them for le=
ss and charges less, then they undermine the respectability of the original m=
arque around which the hobby was built and leave people believing that Heale=
ys -- and by extension all "old English cars" were of poor quality and relia=
bility when they were originally built. <br clear=3D"none">
</font></div>

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</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"2">Provide good quality that produces good performance an=
d it will be reflected in the prices of the cars on the market. There is a r=
eason why Mercedes-Benz models that once cost the same as our cars of the sa=
me vintage are now worth more on the market than our cars. It's because the p=
rimary supplier of replacement parts for Mercedes-Benzes is Daimler AG and t=
hey will only sell parts that are of equivalent quality to the originals. Fo=
r those hobbyists who find those prices unacceptable, they can substitute sw=
eat equity in hunting for parts off unrestorable examples. <br clear=3D"none=
">
</font></div>

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<div><font size=3D"2">Just one person's opinion, mind you, but I have first-=
hand experience in restoring, driving and buying/selling both brands.</font>=
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<div><font size=3D"2">Best</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"2">Gary Anderson</font><br clear=3D"none">
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<div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp; &nbsp;  As far as repops go, I asked a Moss rep one t=
ime why a lot of the reproduction parts and the rubber was so bad and did no=
t fit well.&nbsp; He told me that he could sell better parts for our cars bu=
t very few people will buy them.&nbsp; If he lists both a premium part and a=
 cheaper version, almost 95% will buy the cheap part. It would be foolish to=
 inventory such slow moving parts, so they sell what the majority will buy.&=
nbsp; Everyone wants the parts to be cheap.&nbsp; S<br clear=3D"none">
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<div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp; &nbsp;  So, I guess you get what you pay for.<br cle=
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