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To: Michael MacLean <rrengineer.mike@att.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Saturday Night Rant
From: Perry via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
Date: Sun, 3 May 2020 18:54:48 -0400
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6 cylinder tappets
0.937 inch diameter
2.548 inch length
Perry

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From: Michael MacLean
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 6:47 PM
To: Steven Kingsbury; Healeys
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Saturday Night Rant

OK, to further muddy the water up.=C2=A0 I measured the diameter and overal=
l length of two different tappets according to the original service manual.=
 (reprint)=C2=A0 The diameter is spot on for both tappets.=C2=A0 The follow=
er with the four holes has the correct overall length.=C2=A0 The three hole=
 tappet is taller, but the bottom of the pocket where the pushrod seats is =
recessed further in=C2=A0 matching the height of the four hole tappet seat.=
=C2=A0 So now they both will work?=C2=A0 If that is the case I'm leaning to=
ward the four hole version for two reasons.=C2=A0 One, it has the correct o=
verall length.=C2=A0 Two, oil will flow back out the tappet back to the pan=
 better.=C2=A0 Less weight going up and down too.=C2=A0 Am I going in the r=
ight direction here?=C2=A0 Anyone have the dimensions for the 6 cylinder ta=
ppets?
Mike MacLean
On Sunday, May 3, 2020, 2:10:10 PM PDT, Steven Kingsbury <airtightproductio=
ns@icloud.com> wrote:=20


Mike,
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Yeah, don't know what to say. I have this style in my car=
, all eight of them. Are they correct? Who knows? As much of the work done =
to this car before I got it, I have no idea is they are correct or not. I'm=
 going to use them as they are all the same and the car did run with them, =
so once I'm finished, I'll see if it still runs and hopefully, runs better =
than it did.
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Again, good luck~
Steven=C2=A0=C2=A0

On May 3, 2020 at 11:12 AM, Michael MacLean <rrengineer.mike@att.net> wrote=
:

I don't want to argue the point, but on the Moss website the difference bet=
ween the two lifters serves to confuse me even further.=C2=A0 The two pictu=
res below are from the Moss website.=C2=A0 The lifter with what appears to =
be three holes is the illustration they give for the 100-4 tappet.=C2=A0 Th=
e other picture with the lifter with eight holes is the illustration they g=
ive for the six cylinder car.
Mike MacLean

On Sunday, May 3, 2020, 10:33:13 AM PDT, Steven Kingsbury <airtightproducti=
ons@icloud.com> wrote:


Mike,
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0I just happen to have the head off of my car and all of m=
y lifters are the same. Looks like you have two the same as my eight. I mea=
sured the height, 3 1/8" (maybe a smidge either way), 1" in diameter at the=
 base, 1/2" outer diameter of the cup holding the pushrod and 2 3/4" from t=
he base of the lifter to that same cup. Eight holes in each lifter and all =
recessed same as your two.
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Not sure what else to tell you other than I am finding al=
l kinds of things wrong with the previous work compared to my shop manual a=
nd I'm not even a mechanic! It just proves to me that these engines want to=
 run! No matter what folks do to their inards!=C2=A0
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Good luck and hope this helps.
Steven Kingsbury
BN1 in progress


That parallax view of the camera lens makes the measurement look off, but i=
t's 3 1/8". Good luck!!



On May 2, 2020 at 10:30 PM, Michael MacLean <rrengineer.mike@att.net> wrote=
:
Here's today's Healey 100 rant.=C2=A0 As you can see in the picture of the =
eight lifters, two are not the same as the rest.=C2=A0 I bought these sever=
al years ago from Vicky Brit and they all had the same part number, but the=
y are not the same.=C2=A0 Two of them have eight holes in the body.=C2=A0 T=
he rest have three holes.=C2=A0 The two that are different are almost an ei=
ghth of an inch shorter than the other six.=C2=A0 That can't be good.=C2=A0=
 These are the things I run into that slows progress on this engine.=C2=A0 =
I suspect the two different ones are for a different application.=C2=A0 Can=
 someone tell me what the correct overall height of a 100-4 cam follower is=
?=C2=A0 For all I know I might only have two correct lifters.
Mike MacLean



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ss=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>6 cylinder tappets</p><p class=3DMso=
Normal>0.937 inch diameter</p><p class=3DMsoNormal>2.548 inch length</p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Perry</p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p cla=
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der:none;padding:0in'><b>From: </b><a href=3D"mailto:rrengineer.mike@att.ne=
t">Michael MacLean</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Sunday, May 3, 2020 6:47 PM<br><b>To=
: </b><a href=3D"mailto:airtightproductions@icloud.com";>Steven Kingsbury</a=
>; <a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>Healeys</a><br><b>Subject: </b=
>Re: [Healeys] Saturday Night Rant</p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp=
;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;f=
ont-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>OK, to further muddy the water up.&nbsp=
; I measured the diameter and overall length of two different tappets accor=
ding to the original service manual. (reprint)&nbsp; The diameter is spot o=
n for both tappets.&nbsp; The follower with the four holes has the correct =
overall length.&nbsp; The three hole tappet is taller, but the bottom of th=
e pocket where the pushrod seats is recessed further in&nbsp; matching the =
height of the four hole tappet seat.&nbsp; So now they both will work?&nbsp=
; If that is the case I'm leaning toward the four hole version for two reas=
ons.&nbsp; One, it has the correct overall length.&nbsp; Two, oil will flow=
 back out the tappet back to the pan better.&nbsp; Less weight going up and=
 down too.&nbsp; Am I going in the right direction here?&nbsp; Anyone have =
the dimensions for the 6 cylinder tappets?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New=
 Roman",serif'>Mike MacLean<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id=3D"yah=
oo_quoted_9437605283"><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-si=
ze:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>On Sunday, May =
3, 2020, 2:10:10 PM PDT, Steven Kingsbury &lt;airtightproductions@icloud.co=
m&gt; wrote: </span><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica"=
,sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoN=
ormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;co=
lor:#26282A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><s=
pan style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#262=
82A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><div id=3Dyiv8396273932><div><d=
iv><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvet=
ica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Mike,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p cla=
ss=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans=
-serif;color:#26282A'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah, don't know what to say. I hav=
e this style in my car, all eight of them. Are they correct? Who knows? As =
much of the work done to this car before I got it, I have no idea is they a=
re correct or not. I'm going to use them as they are all the same and the c=
ar did run with them, so once I'm finished, I'll see if it still runs and h=
opefully, runs better than it did.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-s=
erif;color:#26282A'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Again, good luck~<o:p></o:p></span></=
p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-fami=
ly:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Steven&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p></div><div id=3Dyiv8396273932yqt06268><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=
=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helv=
etica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><br>On May 3, 2020 at 11:12 AM, Michael Ma=
cLean &lt;rrengineer.mike@att.net&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><di=
v><blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div=
><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times Ne=
w Roman",serif;color:#26282A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p cla=
ss=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman=
",serif;color:#26282A'>I don't want to argue the point, but on the Moss web=
site the difference between the two lifters serves to confuse me even furth=
er.&nbsp; The two pictures below are from the Moss website.&nbsp; The lifte=
r with what appears to be three holes is the illustration they give for the=
 100-4 tappet.&nbsp; The other picture with the lifter with eight holes is =
the illustration they give for the six cylinder car.<o:p></o:p></span></p><=
/div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:=
"Times New Roman",serif;color:#26282A'>Mike MacLean<o:p></o:p></span></p></=
div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"=
Times New Roman",serif;color:#26282A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div></d=
iv><div id=3D"yiv8396273932yahoo_quoted_9495281642"><div><div><p class=3DMs=
oNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;=
color:#26282A'>On Sunday, May 3, 2020, 10:33:13 AM PDT, Steven Kingsbury &l=
t;airtightproductions@icloud.com&gt; wrote:</span><span style=3D'font-size:=
10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span>=
</p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></di=
v><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"He=
lvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><=
div id=3Dyiv8396273932><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Mike,<o:p></o:=
p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0p=
t;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I jus=
t happen to have the head off of my car and all of my lifters are the same.=
 Looks like you have two the same as my eight. I measured the height, 3 1/8=
&quot; (maybe a smidge either way), 1&quot; in diameter at the base, 1/2&qu=
ot; outer diameter of the cup holding the pushrod and 2 3/4&quot; from the =
base of the lifter to that same cup. Eight holes in each lifter and all rec=
essed same as your two.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNorma=
l><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:=
#26282A'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Not sure what else to tell you other than I am f=
inding all kinds of things wrong with the previous work compared to my shop=
 manual and I'm not even a mechanic! It just proves to me that these engine=
s want to run! No matter what folks do to their inards!&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;fon=
t-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Good luck =
and hope this helps.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><=
span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26=
282A'>Steven Kingsbury<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal=
><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#=
26282A'>BN1 in progress<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNorma=
l><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:=
#26282A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'=
><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D=
'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>That pa=
rallax view of the camera lens makes the measurement look off, but it's 3 1=
/8&quot;. Good luck!!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>=
<span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#2=
6282A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span st=
yle=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><=
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bottom:12.0pt'><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans=
-serif;color:#26282A'><br>On May 2, 2020 at 10:30 PM, Michael MacLean &lt;r=
rengineer.mike@att.net&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><blockquo=
te style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal=
><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#=
26282A'>Here's today's Healey 100 rant.&nbsp; As you can see in the picture=
 of the eight lifters, two are not the same as the rest.&nbsp; I bought the=
se several years ago from Vicky Brit and they all had the same part number,=
 but they are not the same.&nbsp; Two of them have eight holes in the body.=
&nbsp; The rest have three holes.&nbsp; The two that are different are almo=
st an eighth of an inch shorter than the other six.&nbsp; That can't be goo=
d.&nbsp; These are the things I run into that slows progress on this engine=
.&nbsp; I suspect the two different ones are for a different application.&n=
bsp; Can someone tell me what the correct overall height of a 100-4 cam fol=
lower is?&nbsp; For all I know I might only have two correct lifters.<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p><div id=3D"yiv8396273932yMail_cursorElementTracker_15884791=
46474"><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"He=
lvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Mike MacLean<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><=
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,sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMso=
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