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Subject: Re: [Healeys] The Saturday Night Rant - Part III Knock offs
From: Perry via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 11:59:59 -0400
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Michael et al,
Contemplate the mechanical connections between the hub extension, wire whee=
l hub and the knockoff.=20
The hub extension is bolted to the axle using tapered nuts that seat in the=
 face of the extension. No rotational movement.
The wire wheel is connected to the hub extension via the splines. The toler=
ances in the splines may allow for some rotational movement but they have t=
o be loose enough to get the wheel off the extension.=20
What else holds the wheel in place=E2=80=A6the knockoff. The cone in the kn=
ock off forces the wire wheel hub against the hub extension, The contact in=
terface is the tapers on the hub extension and the wire wheel hub. You know=
 the little area that we are frequently reminded to apply a smear of grease=
 to stop the little squeaky noise at low speed. If the knock off is tight e=
nough there is not movement here either.
So Mike, if you see movement between the knock off and the wire wheel, the =
knock off is not tight enough. =20
Suspect that the folks that developed knock offs understood the problem of =
owners/mechanics not getting them tight enough and used the handed (left an=
d right) threads that self tighten.=20
Gentlemen, remember your Mother today!
Perry

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From: Michael MacLean
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 12:57 AM
To: Healeys
Subject: [Healeys] The Saturday Night Rant - Part III

At my age (approaching this side of 70) I am on lock down at my house.=C2=
=A0 I even have my groceries delivered.=C2=A0 I will only go out to eat at =
a drive through with an N95 mask on.=C2=A0 My Boston Terrier that goes with=
 me does not wear one.=C2=A0 He refuses, but he is only three years old.=C2=
=A0 So, being sequestered to my domicile I have taken up the restoration of=
 my BN2 with a vengeance.=C2=A0 I did not know I knew so many off color phr=
ases.=C2=A0 Everything to be done on this car is difficult due to parts inc=
ompatibility, parts fit, parts unavailability or just=C2=A0 my general igno=
rance and/or incompetence.=C2=A0 This evening I finished mounting the right=
 side front hub with all new parts.=C2=A0 I thought I had done a nice job.=
=C2=A0 No lateral play in the hub.=C2=A0 Turns easily without binding.=C2=
=A0 The correct amount of shims after much trial and error.=C2=A0 Disc brak=
e conversion was mounted and braided stainless steel flex brake lines hooke=
d up at both ends.=C2=A0 I have yet to run the brake lines.=C2=A0 Maybe nex=
t.=C2=A0=C2=A0 This rant is about the brand new Dayton wire wheels.=C2=A0 I=
 mounted the wire wheels which have temporary used tires on them so I can m=
ove the car when it is down off the dollies.=C2=A0 After mounting the wheel=
 I gave the two eared knockoff several pretty good whacks.=C2=A0 Now the mo=
ment of truth.=C2=A0 I grabbed the wheel at 9 and 3 o'clock position and pu=
lled straight back and forth.=C2=A0 Yay! No play, but when I rocked the whe=
el it moved slightly.=C2=A0 I thought it was the hub, but looking closely y=
ou can see the wire wheel hub rocking back and forth in the knockoff!=C2=A0=
 What!?!=C2=A0 How hard are you supposed to hit those knockoffs?
Mike MacLean


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ss=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>Michael et al,</p><p class=3DMsoNorm=
al>Contemplate the mechanical connections between the hub extension, wire w=
heel hub and the knockoff. </p><p class=3DMsoNormal>The hub extension is bo=
lted to the axle using tapered nuts that seat in the face of the extension.=
 No rotational movement.</p><p class=3DMsoNormal>The wire wheel is connecte=
d to the hub extension via the splines. The tolerances in the splines may a=
llow for some rotational movement but they have to be loose enough to get t=
he wheel off the extension. </p><p class=3DMsoNormal>What else holds the wh=
eel in place=E2=80=A6the knockoff. The cone in the knock off forces the wir=
e wheel hub against the hub extension, The contact interface is the tapers =
on the hub extension and the wire wheel hub. You know the little area that =
we are frequently reminded to apply a smear of grease to stop the little sq=
ueaky noise at low speed. If the knock off is tight enough there is not mov=
ement here either.</p><p class=3DMsoNormal>So Mike, if you see movement bet=
ween the knock off and the wire wheel, the knock off is not tight enough.=
=C2=A0 </p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Suspect that the folks that developed knock=
 offs understood the problem of owners/mechanics not getting them tight eno=
ugh and used the handed (left and right) threads that self tighten. </p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Gentlemen, remember your Mother today!</p><p class=3DMsoN=
ormal>Perry</p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNorm=
al>Sent from <a href=3D"https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=3D550986";>M=
ail</a> for Windows 10</p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div st=
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ding:0in'><b>From: </b><a href=3D"mailto:rrengineer.mike@att.net";>Michael M=
acLean</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Sunday, May 10, 2020 12:57 AM<br><b>To: </b><a h=
ref=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>Healeys</a><br><b>Subject: </b>[Heale=
ys] The Saturday Night Rant - Part III</p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&=
nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0=
pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>At my age (approaching this side of=
 70) I am on lock down at my house.&nbsp; I even have my groceries delivere=
d.&nbsp; I will only go out to eat at a drive through with an N95 mask on.&=
nbsp; My Boston Terrier that goes with me does not wear one.&nbsp; He refus=
es, but he is only three years old.&nbsp; So, being sequestered to my domic=
ile I have taken up the restoration of my BN2 with a vengeance.&nbsp; I did=
 not know I knew so many off color phrases.&nbsp; Everything to be done on =
this car is difficult due to parts incompatibility, parts fit, parts unavai=
lability or just&nbsp; my general ignorance and/or incompetence.&nbsp; This=
 evening I finished mounting the right side front hub with all new parts.&n=
bsp; I thought I had done a nice job.&nbsp; No lateral play in the hub.&nbs=
p; Turns easily without binding.&nbsp; The correct amount of shims after mu=
ch trial and error.&nbsp; Disc brake conversion was mounted and braided sta=
inless steel flex brake lines hooked up at both ends.&nbsp; I have yet to r=
un the brake lines.&nbsp; Maybe next.&nbsp;&nbsp; This rant is about the br=
and new Dayton wire wheels.&nbsp; I mounted the wire wheels which have temp=
orary used tires on them so I can move the car when it is down off the doll=
ies.&nbsp; After mounting the wheel I gave the two eared knockoff several p=
retty good whacks.&nbsp; Now the moment of truth.&nbsp; I grabbed the wheel=
 at 9 and 3 o'clock position and pulled straight back and forth.&nbsp; Yay!=
 No play, but when I rocked the wheel it moved slightly.&nbsp; I thought it=
 was the hub, but looking closely you can see the wire wheel hub rocking ba=
ck and forth in the knockoff!&nbsp; What!?!&nbsp; How hard are you supposed=
 to hit those knockoffs?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNor=
mal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Mi=
ke MacLean<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><=
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