Thanks much!
Dave Shier
jack halton wrote:
> Hi Dave,
>
> You could check with Patrick but I doubt he would have anything like you
> describe, though I think he does have reproduction rights from the Fenton
> estate at least for headers. But it shouldn't be that difficult to
> fabricate an aluminum plate for the bottom of the manifold. And copper
> tubing would be fine for the header tubes.
>
> Jack / Winter PArk FL
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David G Shier <dshier@rmi.net>
> To: jack halton <safesix@worldnet.att.net>
> Cc: <avdoug@csn.org>; <SAFESIX@att.net>; <oletrucks@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thursday, August 19, 1999 11:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [oletrucks] heat, blowers, etc
>
> > Jack, I am putting Fenton Headers and a Fenton 2 x 1 intake on an engine
> very
> > soon. The intake maniforld is an older one but has spaces to run heat to
> each
> > of the two carb locations if I get heat to the bottom area of the intake
> > manifold. I was thinking of making a plate for the bottom of this intake
> > manifold and connecting it to the the new headers from the header holes
> which
> > would otherwise be plugged I guess If I did not do this step.
> >
> > Does Patrick or anyone else already have this plate and connecting pipes
> that yu
> > know of?? This will be a fun around-town and low milage application at
> this
> > point and due to the dry climate here we do not anticipate icing
> conditions.
> >
> > I CAN TELL YOU however that due to my experience in restoring two old
> airplanes
> > that icing might occur in any region and the venturi effect is in fact,
> very
> > much in our lives.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Dave Shier
> >
> > jack halton wrote:
> >
> > > By "Fenton Tube Treatment" I meant running tubing from the headers pipe
> > > fittings to a plate bolted to the exhaust flange. Another message in
> this
> > > thread also describes this. Clifford's catalog also shows a tubing
> > > connection between their headers and an auxiliary plate below the carb.
> This
> > > is described as an option for those in cold climates, it does not heat
> the
> > > manifold but rather the carburetor. Maybe this would help reduce carb
> icing.
> > > My understanding is that icing occurs due to the venturi effect of fuel
> > > being accelerated through the carburetor ( I could be totally off base
> > > here ) and this was a constant concern of carbureted aircraft, like WWII
> > > fighter planes.
> > >
> > > An exhaust flange plate can also be used to pipe heated water (from the
> > > heater hose path) to the intake. This is better than nothing, but only
> > > applies heat to that area, and only if the manifold has that exhaust
> flange.
> > >
> > > Classic Trucks ran a series called "Project Six-pack" a couple of years
> ago
> > > in which they said they would use a Holley injection system on a 292
> Chevy
> > > six. But in typical magazine fashion, the series stopped with no further
> > > mention of induction. My guess is it didn't work out, and they didn't
> want
> > > to offend one of their biggest advertisers.
> > >
> > > I've seen a couple of blower-equipped Inline sixes, and once the
> physical
> > > space problems from ungainly belt drives are sorted out, they work quite
> > > well. A turbo really makes more sense, as everything is on the same
> side.
> > > One of our Inliner gurus, Leo Santucci, is doing lots of research and
> > > experimentation with turbo'ed inlines, and we expect a full report one
> of
> > > these days.
> > >
> > > Jack / Winter Park FL
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Hughes <avdoug@csn.org>
> > > To: <SAFESIX@att.net>; <oletrucks@autox.team.net>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 1999 9:47 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [oletrucks] heating a non-heated intake manifold?
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Tell me more about the 'Fenton tube treatment'. This sounds like
> > > > you bolt a copper pipe to the bottom of the intake then run water
> > > > to it. This is something I had considered but I have never seen it
> > > > done and would like to have an idea of what someone else has
> > > > done.
> > > >
> > > > Of course I've also considered fuel injection or a blower (just to be
> > > > a little more over the edge) anybody running a daily driver with
> > > > an extreme setup like this?
> > > >
> > > > thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Doug
> > > >
> > > > From: SAFESIX@att.net
> > > > Date sent: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 23:05:12 +0000
> > > > Subject: Re: [oletrucks] heating a non-heated intake manifold?
> > > > To: "Doug Hughes" <avdoug@teal.csn.net>
> > > > Copies to: "Doug Hughes" <avdoug@teal.csn.net>,
> > > oletrucks@autox.team.net
> > > >
> > > > > Manifold heat has been the topic of several articles in
> > > > > the Inliners newsletter. The consensus seems to be that
> > > > > water heat is preferable to running tubes to the exhaust
> > > > > flange (if present), as it presents a constant, gentle
> > > > > source of heat to the entire intake. Most aftermarket
> > > > > intakes being alloy, the heat won't transfer as well if
> > > > > only present in the middle. Some members have reported
> > > > > good results from the Fenton tube treatment, though.
> > > > > Carb icing hasn't really been mentioned as the reason
> > > > > for adding heat, However - it's keeping the mixture from
> > > > > puddling, and uneven distribution that presents most of
> > > > > the problems when running an unheated intake. When the
> > > > > fuel mixture enters a cold intake manifold, it tends to
> > > > > turn back into a liquid, which doesn't disburse to the
> > > > > runners very well. This is a major source of stumbles,
> > > > > flat spots, poor gas mileage and generally bad
> > > > > driveability on a inlines with "performance" intake and
> > > > > exhaust systems.
> > > > >
> > > > > Of the older intakes, I think only the Edmunds came as a
> > > > > water-jacketed version. Some Offies, and other
> > > > > aftermaket intakes were cast with the exhaust flange,
> > > > > but with headers you lose even that source of heat.
> > > > > Clifford now makes a water-heated intake (single 4
> > > > > barrel only, I think) for Chevy and GMC inlines. I have
> > > > > one on my GMC and it has made a major improvement in
> > > > > driveability.
> > > > >
> > > > > A log manifold like a Howard or McGurk can usually be
> > > > > water heated pretty easily by welding on a tube to the
> > > > > back of the plenum, but the Offy-type intake lacks room
> > > > > to do this. If the manifold you are looking at does not
> > > > > have the exhaust flange, which would at least afford
> > > > > central heat from the Fentons, I would pass on it, or
> > > > > plan on some surgery to add heat.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jack / Winter Park FL (no carb icing problems here)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I'm looking for a used dual carb intake that is
> > > > > >water heated because I understand they work
> > > > > >much better than the non-heated variaty. I have
> > > > > >come across a non-heated offy that I might be
> > > > > >able to get for a good price (includes carbs).
> > > > > >Is there any way to get reasonable performance
> > > > > >from this or should I buy it for the carbs and
> > > > > >hold out for a water heated version?
> > > > > >I'm not above attaching some heat mechanism to
> > > > > >make it work better but I'm also not in a hurry
> > > > > >so I can walk away with only minor regrets.
> > > > > >btw. I plan to put fentons on as well so I won't
> > > > > >be getting much direct heat from the exhaust.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >thanks to all,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Doug
> > > > > >
> > > > > >oletrucks is devoted to Chevy and GM trucks built between 1941 and
> > > > > 1959
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > oletrucks is devoted to Chevy and GM trucks built between 1941 and 1959
> >
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