I hadn't heard anything from Miq about my thoughts, so decided to just do it
anyway. I still plan to go ahead with my list. As far as "rife with ads",
"ONELIST" adds a three line ad at the end of the email (see a typical
ONELIST post below between the two lines of pluses(+++++). Who ever reads
that far anyway? However, once you have received one or two, you don't even
notice. And if that is the price you pay for this free service, then "oh
well". I also think having a moderated list is a good idea. Yeah, I intend
to do a better job of trying to "encourage" people to stay with the program,
and if a particular member chooses to deviate often and significantly, then
they will be unsubscribed. Foul language will get you booted. Frequent
eBay posts will get you booted. I make no bones about this. I don't intend
to run this any different than I did when I started oletrucks, so you old
timers know what I mean. As I have said, vendors and eBay ads will not be
allowed. I DO have opinions, and don't especially mind sharing them when I
believe that they are positive and for the good of the group. I am not a
power craving kinda guy. When I set this list up I let the group pretty
much set the rules, and it was decided (by the members early on) that
vendors would be kept off and I have tried to ensure that this was followed,
but without any control, all I could do was voice my opinion. And obviously
it is not gonna be to everyones liking.
But this list has just grown away from the way the list was when it was
young, and that is what I want to try to get back. So, I will continue to
pursue the list I have set up. So, join or not, your choice.
Rob
Here is what a typical "ONELIST" post looks like.
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From: "The Knutsens" <dknutsen@gte.net>
Rob:
The timing chain on your 350 should be replaced if it has much over 3/8" to
1/2" slack. The hole in the bottom of the pickup tube screen is for the
bypass, if the screen becomes plugged it will open and let some oil up to
the pump. It is a small spring loaded flapper valve. Not sure which year
350 went to the steel rocker arms. The 455 switched in 72. The cast arms
do have hardened steel inserts to ride on the valve stems, I have seen on
several occassions the inserts fall out, not good when this happens. I
would swap over to the all steel arms. Also when you reinstall the timing
chain and gear, you might think about a double roller and coat the gears and
chain in assembly lube or moly before assembly (making sure you can still
line up the timing marks of course). Are you going to the Bremerton BOP
meet on Sept. 18, Saturday? Dave K.
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----- Original Message -----
From: <miq@teleport.com>
To: <rjjmsj@earthlink.net>
Cc: _Oletrucks <oletrucks@autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, September 11, 1999 10:09 PM
Subject: Re: [oletrucks] Change can be good!
> Fodder
> Fodder
> Fodder
> Fodder
> Fodder
> Fodder
>
> Hmmm,
>
> Rob actually asked me about this about a week or so ago, but I've been so
> busy I haven't had time to do anything other than think about it.
>
> My thoughts:
>
> Yes the list has grown (nearing 600 members now), but that was to be
> expected.
>
> Yes there are times when I don't have time to do anything more than simply
> search for subscription requests. Then I lose out on possible gems of a
> techie post or question answered, but that's what the archives are for.
>
> It is possible that splitting up the list could lessen the traffic that
you
> get, but you will also get less (or none!) email from your oletruck
buddies
> that are now subbed to the other list. This would be a bad thing I think.
>
> I have figured out a way to break up the list in such a manner that those
> of us who would prefer to have less traffic, can while those that want to
> keep things as they are can as well.
>
> Here is my idea on this, rather than going to one-list which is rife with
> ads in each and every email, and nigh impossible to keep the spam out.
>
> Given a bit of time, say a week or so I can set up some sub lists:
>
> oletrucks-deco
> oletrucks-ad
> oletrucks-tf
> oletrucks-rod
>
> each of these lists would send all their email to the main list oletrucks.
>
> As a subscriber, you could choose to get the email from just one or more
of
> the sub lists, or stay the way you are now.
>
> If you were for example just to subscribe to the oletrucks-ad list then
you
> would only get that email, and you would only send email there--other wise
> it would bounce (I have to keep it that way to keep the UCE and spam out
we
> would see about a dozen messages a day if I didn't).
>
> Members on the other sub lists would not have to deal with your
> "non-appropriate" email, and the oletruckers on the main list would
benefit
> from seeing your words of wisdom. Their response would work just like
> subscribers to the digest can send to the list with out a problem.
>
> This method has a couple of benefits:
>
> 1) it doesn't use onelist (a setup I dislike almost as much as lyris which
> we left back at the end of 1998)
>
> 2) if you don't want to change anything, you don't have to
>
> 3) if you want less tripe in your menudo, you can have it
>
> 4) not much more work for me over what I am doing now.
>
> the down side:
>
> 1) if you subscribe to the smaller lists, then you will have to be
responsible
> for not posting off topic posts. (actually this is pretty much the
> standard down side for any non generic mail list that wants to stay on
> topic--the readers are self enforced).
>
> 2) if you don't like the way things are being run now, then you surely
will
> remain unhappy since I will not be changing how I do things.
>
> -------------------------
>
>
> Now, my take reguarding the eBay posts:
>
> I've been silent on the matter for two reasons, 1) I've been so damn busy
> it isn't even funny, 2) I was hoping that like most things the thread
would
> work itself out, come to a resolution by majority input.
>
> To my eye, it looked like it had done that. The group majority seemed to
> be against the posting of the ads.
>
> Personally, if I was looking for a part, the last thing I would want is
600
> other ole truck fanatics suddenly "in the know" about my find to bid
> against me on it. And if I'm not actively looking, well gee, I'm not
> looking for anything why do I want to see a message giving eBay yet more
> advertising.
>
> Ebay has never done anything for me, they charge to list the items I might
> want to sell there, and they charge again when it finally gets sold asking
> for a cut of the profits. Plus they have like billions of web hits a
month
> they can charge outrageous prices for banner ads on. Why do I need to
> allow the sellers of said items even more "viewers" especially to an
> exclusive group like this list as far as advertising goes. There are half
> a dozen vendors on the list, and I ask them all to refrain from posting
ads
> to the list, and they comply.
>
> Just because you sign up for spam mail doesn't mean that spam is right. I
> have friends that are new to the internet and they sign up for commercial
> postings from various sites (like cnet, or yahoo or amazon or what have
> you) so that they can have something in the emailbox every time they fire
> it up. It doesn't take them long to realize that if they subscribe to an
> email list about something they have an interest in (hmmm like the
> oletrucks list), the same thing will happen except they will actually want
> to read it. (although some of those techno updates from cnet are kinda
> interesting.....)
>
> The point? Just because you are a member of the list, forwarding email
> that some find inappropriate, is wrong, even if you like the mail about
> ebay items, its still wrong. eBay seller "mr.foo" is getting free
> advertising for his auction that he is not paying for, and remember, he
> _is_ paying eBay for the priveledge to sell his item there.
>
> In all honesty, I am at this point about 5 pixels away from making ebay
> another one of the verbotten words of this list (along with things like
> su*scribe, ha**y99, m*me, h*ml, and mak* money fast).
>
> sheesh, I sit down for 10 minuets to catch up on oletrucks, and now look
> what happened.
>
>
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> --
> __
> Miq Millman miq@teleport.com
> Tualatin, OR
>
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