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Re: Skirted thermostats - Newly manufactured

To: "Triumph" <triumphs@Autox.Team.Net>, "Jack I. Brooks" <brooks@belcotech.com>
Subject: Re: Skirted thermostats - Newly manufactured
From: "Don Sforza" <dsforza@megahits.com>
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 14:55:12 -0400
Hey Jack:

$26.95 is NOT a lot of money, when you consider the other cash we've blown on
our cars. I've been fortunate to land two original Smith's thermostats for my
'4 at about $25.00 each. For the guy who's stuck with an aftermarket piece of
junk, the money should be a non-issue.

BTW, thanks sharing the info... it has already been entered in the "parts"
archive.

"And to think, it all started with a tractor!"

Don Sforza           dsforza@megahits.com                  KA1WV
1963 TR4        Connecticut Triumph Register             CT16707L
                         Southington, Connecticut

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> From: Jack I. Brooks <brooks@belcotech.com>
> To: Triumphs@autox.team.net
> Cc: TRFmail@aol.com; moss@mossmotors.com
> Subject: Skirted thermostats - Newly manufactured
> Date: August 4, 1997 12:50 PM
> 
> Recently a New Jersey Triumph Association club (& list) member, Bruce Hoppe,
> discovered that a Jaguar restoration shop was producing a modern skirted
> thermostat, which he thought was similar in size to those use in the
> TR2/3/4's.  This restorer commissioned a machine shop to produce these
> thermostats for them.  I saw Bruce's thermostat at a club meeting and was
> satisfied with the quality.  I purchased one, measured, tested and installed
it.
> 
> The Jaguar thermostat is working well in my TR3A.  It is a modern 160F
> thermostat, which has been modified to include a skirt.  The skirt is brazed
> onto the thermostat in a very neat and clean manner.  There is no
> "bleed/vent" hole at the top of the thermostat flange. 
> 
> This thermostat operates slightly different than the skirted thermostats we
> are used to.  The OEM thermostat has a skirt which is starts out behind the
> bypass hole and moves forward, to block the bypass hole as the water
> temperature rises.  The Jaguar reproduction is just the opposite.  The skirt
> sits against the thermostat flange, in front of the bypass hole when it it
> cold and moves backward, to block the bypass hole, as the water temperature
> rises.  
> 
> The dimensions I measured on the thermostat and my TR3A housing are shown
below:
> 
> Dimension               Thermostat      My TR3A thermostat housing   
> 
> Skirt Diameter          1.930 inch      1.967 inch 
> Skirt length            0.400 inch           
> Skirt movement @ 180F   0.320 inch
> Bypass hole (from Flange)               0.375 inch
> Bypass hole (diameter)                  0.430 inch
> 
> If you "stack up" the skirt length and movement dimensions you will find
> that the skirt moves almost exactly enough to cover the bypass hole.  
> 
> On top of my stove, the 160F thermostat begins to open at 160-165, achieving
> full open by 180F.  It might have gone to full open at a lower temperature,
> with more time, but I didn't realize this inadequacy in my test procedures
> until after the thermostat was installed in my car.
> 
> I didn't measure the percent "open area" for water flow, but it was at least
> as good as most thermostats I have seen.
> 
> Two downsides: 
> 
> 1. The thermostat costs $26.95 plus shipping.
> 
> 2. The opening temperature is approx 160F, but full open does not occur
> right away, so the normal operational temperature is somewhat above 160F,
> more like 165F (electronic thermometer), but only extended idling (15+
> minutes) will drive it above 180-190F.
> 
> As as aside, my cooling system (I think) was in pretty good condition before
> I installed this thermostat. I use 70/30 water/antifreeze mix, w/water
> wetter.  Keep in mind, that no thermostat will cure cooling system
> deficiencies and YMMV.
> 
> The source is XK's Unlimited, 800-444-5247. They are a reputable shop and
> advertise in British car magazine.  They have a site at www.xks.com
> Tell them what car the thermostat is for, your TR, but the bottom line is
> that their thermostat is designed for a XK120/140 Jaguar.
> 
> (TRF, Moss, Vicki Brit & others - did you catch the name of that source?)
> 
> I have no financial or other interest in XK's, although I wouldn't mind one
> of their XK140 restored race cars (check out their site).  I told them, if
> it worked for me I'd be telling a few hundred of my closest friends, but
> still couldn't get a freebie. (I'm only kidding, I didn't ask)
> 
> Also, From the SAAB list I learned about Mercedes-Benz anti-freeze.  M-B
> created it because they were experiencing a significant number of head
> gasket and cooling system related failures.  I have heard that it is double
> buffered (against acid and base build ups).  This is reputed to eliminate
> the salt (white chalky deposits) and goop buildups some of us find in our
> radiators and engine water passages.  I have not yet tried this stuff
> ($10/gallon) but will by the end of the summer.  Just another thought....
> 
> BTW - After replacing your thermostat let the system get hot (pressurized)
> and check for leaks.  A cold (unpressurized) coolant system test, done the
> night before, may not reveal the substantial leak that a three mile jaunt
> into town for bagels on a Sunday morning at 6AM will.  You may not have
> enough coolant left to make it home, unless you keep a gallon of water in
> the boot.  You may not have to put up with the smirk of a Porche Targa
> driver as you run through a red light and begin coasting down the last hill
> on the way to your home with the engine off.  To quote others on this list
> "How do I know this?"  ;-)
> 
> Jack Brooks
> 


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