Never saw the "It's illegal" thread. If I had, I guess I would have been
there. Andy//are the French a race now?
----- Original Message -----
From: Andy Dixon <firstname.lastname@example.org>
To: Beth and Ken <email@example.com>; Randall <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 9:00 PM
Subject: RE: Racism and trolls (no LBC) (was upholstery shops)
> Are you listening to your own BS?
> Didn't see you rushing to the defense of the French in the "It's illegal"
> joke which is just, if not more racist.
> Reply all you want, you e-mails go straight to the deleted items so I
> see them.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: email@example.com
> [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org]On Behalf Of Beth and Ken
> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 1980 12:33 AM
> To: Randall
> Cc: email@example.com
> Subject: Re: Racism and trolls (no LBC) (was upholstery shops)
> If you don't see anything racially offensive with your use of what you see
> to be Black dialect, maybe it's because you're not Black, and unable to
> empathize with a group that's targeted by racists. Tell you what..come to
> Baltimore. I'll show you a good time. We'll go down to the Inner Harbor,
> some steamed crabs, watch Cal hit a few at Camden Yards, and have you use
> that dialect in the crowd. I'll bet you my Triumph against yours that
> somebody other than yours truly has something to say to you (at least).
> Be well;
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Randall <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> Cc: <email@example.com>
> Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 3:15 PM
> Subject: Racism and trolls (no LBC) (was upholstery shops)
> > Ken wrote:
> > >
> > > We tend not to be as sensitive to slurs made against some groups as to
> > > made against others. Since we're more attuned to the racism directed
> > > Af.rican Americans, consider Fred's remarks as if they were made in
> > > dialect of what a racist would use for Black dialect. Maybe now you
> > Ok, Ken. I tried changing Fred's punchline to : "Sho 'nuff Massa, jes'
> > cain't do thet. But I'se sho' sorry 'bout not unnerstandn yo'all."
> > I still don't see anything racist about it.
> > Racism implies judging someone on the basis of their race. Fred was
> > judging the shopkeeper on the basis of his ruining Fred's carpet and
> > trans tunnel. There's an important distinction there, IMO one that is
> > frequently missed.
> > Further IMO Fred's attempt to reproduce what he heard the shopkeeper say
> > was not "the dialect of what a racist would use for <fill in the blank>
> > dialect" and it was both underhanded and highly inflammatory of you to
> > imply that it was.
> > I'll also offer some advice to the list (which I shall endeavor to take
> > myself <g>) : Just ignore Ken's attempts to start fights. He's
> > obviously turning into a classic USENET 'troll', the only known cure is
> > to ignore him. Trolls _want_ you to flame them, they enjoy it. Like a
> > dog that makes messes on the carpet to get the attention. See
> > http://www.netmeg.net/jargon/terms/t/troll.html
> > Last, to all those people to whom I've defended Ken : I was wrong.
> > Randall