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Re: [TR] gas gauge and voltage regulators

To: "'Frank Fisher'" <yellowtr3@yahoo.com>, "'Triumphs List'" <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] gas gauge and voltage regulators
From: "Randall" <TR3driver@ca.rr.com>
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 15:25:55 -0700
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>  the purpose of the voltage regulator is to stop the ups and 
> downs of the voltage caused by alternator as engine revs? 

Yes.  At idle, the stock Lucas alternator (or generator on the TR4/4A) puts out 
almost nothing, so the battery voltage can droop
quite a bit under heavy load (eg headlights on).  The gauges used on TR4-6 work 
on heat, and so are very sensitive to changes in
voltage (power and therefore heat is related to the square of the voltage).

> what then is usual output? ie 13/14 volts in----? volts out.

The stock "voltage stabilizer" doesn't actually change the voltage.  Instead, 
it interrupts the voltage output part of the time,
such that the average is 10 volts.  The technique is commonly known as Pulse 
Width Modulation (PWM) and is still quite common today.
But, modern devices use solid state switches (transistors) that can switch very 
quickly.  Transistors back then were expensive and
fragile, so Smiths (or whoever owned them by then) used a simple mechanical 
switch that only operated a few times per second.
Pretty ingenious really, but like so many other things on our cars, strange and 
poorly understood today.

Since the gauges are so slow to respond, they don't follow the constant up and 
down from the VS, but any voltmeter or DMM will.  So,
it's more or less impossible to check the original VS accuracy with a voltmeter 
or DMM.  Smiths' suggestion was to hook up a "known
good" gauge along with a dash light bulb in series to a regulated 10v source, 
note the resulting reading, then hook it up to the VS
to be tested and compare the reading (after waiting for it to settle each time).

But in my limited experience, the usual VS failure modes are either that the 
heater burns out (meaning it supplies input voltage all
the time), or the contacts go bad.  You can check the contact resistance with 
an ohmmeter.  Or just pull the wire off the
temperature sender and connect it to a test lamp (with the other side of the 
lamp grounded).  If you can see the light blink on and
off, the VS is working, and probably reasonably accurate.  Unless you are 
chasing a fairly subtle error in gauge reading, the
problem is not the VS.

> any one have a list of what smiths gauges require a voltage 
> stabilizer and those that don't. have not been to see the car 
> yet, but id like to be prepared.

Sorry.  I had a partial list, but can't seem to find it at the moment.  But all 
of the fuel and temperature gauges originally used
on TR4-TR6 (as well as Stag, 2000 and so on) require a VS.  

-- Randall  


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