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Subject: [Fot] New Cars, New Parts
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 09:43:07 -0700 (PDT)
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I realize these old TR2-3 gear boxes are pretty much worthless and I have no 
use for them.  I imagine that they came out of cars at some point for a good 
reason.  

I'm not sure if the internal components, gears or shafts have any value anyone 
either.  They may be best for scrap.

A few years ago, I rescued a vast collection of TR parts and spares from being 
scrapped.  There were also a dozen engines, that I tore down for component 
evaluation.  In that mix, I found the original engine to my TR3.  That alone 
was worth my efforts.  Old TS46871E will live again.  It was an interesting 
mechanical forensic project, determining reasons of failure. 

So, I have good blocks and a number of standard cranks standing by.

DH


On March 18, 2018 at 8:36 AM Bill <Bill at ponostyle.com> wrote:

They pretty much belong in a barn. There isn?t any way I know of to make then 
handle even the horsepower they are rated if you drive in a spirited fashion. 
With a later TR4 or TR6 case and some work or a quaife dog box set you have a 
prayer, but TR3 not so much. I have three or four I?d be happy to give you. 


>     On Mar 17, 2018, at 5:29 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net 
> mailto:fot at autox.team.net > wrote:
> 
> 
>     I have at least 10 TR3, no syncro first gear transmissions sitting on a 
> palette in an old barn, if anyone might need one, let me know.
> 
>     No overdrives.
> 
>     The few TR4A-TR6 boxes that I have are keepers with the one overdrive on 
> a TR3 box that was in my TR2.
> 
> 
>     Dave H.
> 
>         > > On March 16, 2018 at 9:55 AM fubog1 via Fot <fot at 
> autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > wrote:
> > 
> >         The early boxes aren't worth much, they have inherent weaknesses, 
> > but the later 6 box is much better, especially for a racecar.
> >         Glen
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >         -----Original Message-----
> >         From: Henry A. Morrison via Fot <fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot 
> > at autox.team.net >
> >         To: John Hasty <jhasty at mhc-law.com mailto:jhasty at mhc-law.com >
> >         Cc: fot <fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net >
> >         Sent: Fri, Mar 16, 2018 12:42 pm
> >         Subject: Re: [Fot] New Cars, New Parts
> > 
> >         I wish, they're just old stock non OD units.  from TR-3's and 
> > probably 6's.  I think I have about 5.  don't "need" any of them.
> > 
> >         Cheers, Henry
> > 
> >         Sent from Outlook http://aka.ms/weboutlook
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >         ---------------------------------------------
> >         From: John Hasty <jhasty at mhc-law.com mailto:jhasty at 
> > mhc-law.com >
> >         Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 6:16 PM
> >         To: Henry A. Morrison
> >         Cc: Kenneth Knight; fot
> >         Subject: Re: [Fot] New Cars, New Parts
> >          
> >         Henry... any of those gear sets you have happen to be the close 
> > ratio TR set?  I still use one with an A OD & could use a spare.....
> > 
> >         Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> >         On Mar 15, 2018, at 7:45 PM, Henry A. Morrison via Fot <fot at 
> > autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >             > > >             I just can't disagree with this statement 
> > more.  
> > >                  1. Vintage racing is dying.  There are way fewer cars 
> > > and races than there were in 1986 when I started.
> > >                  2. The newer cars and drivers scarcely know what a road 
> > > course is.  Car culture was different after '72 and especially now, just 
> > > look at the current Fast and furious movies that sell the current car 
> > > culture.
> > >                  3.  how many old TR gearboxes from my personal 
> > > collection would you like to have delivered to your place tomorrow? Or 
> > > buy some of the ones on ebay for $150, that seems to be the going rate.
> > >                  4. Clubs that accept cars from the 80's are selling out 
> > > for the entry fee, and in doing so driving me away in the process.
> > > 
> > >             Have a great racing season, 
> > > 
> > >             Henry Morrison, Albuquerque, NM
> > > 
> > >             Sent from Outlook http://aka.ms/weboutlook
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >             ---------------------------------------------
> > > 
> > >             It is good to see that other clubs are allowing newer cars 
> > > into their races.  VARA has been doing this for several years so that we 
> > > could survive, keep the club solvent and the cost of racing reasonable.  
> > > The future of vintage racing is an expansion to cars from the 80?s and 
> > > 90?s, they are long past their prime in other venues, cheap and they 
> > > bring in new drivers.  They are in fact ?vintage?, like our cars were in 
> > > the 80? and 90?s.  More important, these are the guys and gals that 
> > > lusted for a certain hot car of the that era and now have older kids and 
> > > the bucks to go racing.  Without these folks our sport will pass along 
> > > with us.
> > >              
> > >             The same is true of parts.  Much of our equipment is worn out 
> > > and not maintainable without great cost and effort any longer.  Gear 
> > > boxes are an example.  I am down to my last good transmission case for my 
> > > dog box.  When that goes, or the gear set is toast, I am making the 
> > > switch to a modern box (same ratios) that I can maintain.  Like many of 
> > > us I have missed races because of transmission failures.  Tony runs a 
> > > Ford 8? because he doesn?t want to get hurt, and it is bullet proof for 
> > > racing, even has a weight penalty.   A gear box switch is inevitable if 
> > > we want to keep our cars on track at an expenditure of time and money 
> > > that makes sense.
> > >              
> > >             There are tons of other parts that make engines last longer 
> > > (and yes they make more power).  An old TR motor is nothing but half a 
> > > Chevy Small Block; those guys spent hundreds of millions developing motor 
> > > parts that we can take advantage of.  Same is true of blueprinting 
> > > techniques, there are much better ways to build engines than ?back in the 
> > > day? and if you read a book and learn how to do it the bloody lump lasts 
> > > twice as long.  Last time I had my motor out I could have put the coated 
> > > bearings with 25 races on them back in.  At 36 races I had <5% leak down 
> > > on the rings and valves.  Started out building the old school way, with 
> > > old school parts, those days are over as I don?t have the time to spend 
> > > five days in the shop for every day at the track.
> > >              
> > >             Oil.  There is no such thing as cheap racing oil.  Modern oil 
> > > is the best it has ever been and makes the motor last.  I had technical 
> > > help from Lake Speed who is the ?man? for Joe Gibbs Driven race oil.  The 
> > > stuff is $18 a quart but will last 500+ miles in the car (4-6 race 
> > > weekends).  Just change the filter after every race and add on quart, 
> > > total cost $30.00.  I can run all the way down to 27 wt. (mixing) but 
> > > just run the 30 wt. racing oil even at +100 degrees in the desert and the 
> > > oil pressure is always spot on.  Tight clearances, light oil and great 
> > > bearing life, well worth the cost.
> > >              
> > >             My point in all of this is that ?vintage? racing is changing, 
> > > both the cars and the people.  We are going to have to accept and adapt 
> > > or slowly see our sport fade.  They will always be a special place for 
> > > those cars with a 50 year race history, prepared exactly like it raced in 
> > > 1965.   For the rest of the grid, and those of us that don?t have cars 
> > > with history, there are going to be cars with certain changes that get us 
> > > to the track.  Besides some of us are just SoCal Hot Rodders at heart 
> > > with a touch of ?good ole boy? NACAR ingenuity.  Now I need to get back 
> > > to work on that 85% scale TR-4 body in aluminum, or possible carbon 
> > > fiber???..Everyone have a great 2018 season racing!
> > >              
> > >             Ken
> > > 
> > >         > > 
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