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Vote for Guy Fawkes! The only man who entered Parliament with honest intenti=
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> On 29 Dec 2020, at 17:58, David Friedlander <forzion7@gmail.com> wrote:
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> I have had a Prestige Twilfast-canvas-type top for my TR6 for the last ten=
+ years. It still looks and fits great! I had it professionally installed a=
nd I've had zero regrets. Not sure how you can see the hoodstick through the=
window....
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> Dave
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>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 12:53 PM dave <dave@ranteer.com> wrote:
>> I have a prestige top on my tr6 and I hate it. it really is not the righ=
t size (too narrow) and the rear window is too large, so you can see the hoo=
dstick through it
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> And, just half a dozen years from having it installed, there are glued po=
rtions that have become unglued. Its really awful, and if my options weren=E2=
=80=99t so expensive I would replace it
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of David Fried=
lander
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 11:01 AM
>> To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com>
>> Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net; dave@mdmackay.ca
>> Subject: Re: [TR] New TR6 top
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> At least the vinyl top has a plasticizer in it. Sunfast tops are NOT goin=
g to stretch no matter what or when. When they're tight, they're tight. Not s=
ure I understand why the various manufacturers don't try out their patterns o=
n actual vehicles and adjust them, especially for when they use fabrics that=
don't stretch. I have a hoodstick cover from Prestige in the UK and have ha=
d a real challenge to get it to stretch to fit the lift-the-dot fasteners pr=
operly. The manufacturer has never actually fitted one to a real TR3 so I do=
n't know how they derive their patterns....
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> Dave Friedlander
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>> =20
>>=20
>> Dave
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 11:51 AM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com> wrote:=
>>=20
>> The vinyl material used in tops is produced with a plasticizer which is a=
n additive that makes the vinyl soft, pliable and stretchable. The problem i=
s this product is volatile and will dissipate over time making the top less a=
nd less stretchable. If the top stretched whens installed (and installers d=
on't like wrinkles and the easiest way to remove wrinkles is the stretch the=
top to remove them) it will become more difficult to erect, especially when=
cold. When I rebuilt my TR6 in 1996 a friend gave me a top that was sittin=
g in his basement for 20-odd years (he bought it but his car was totaled bef=
ore he could get it installed). I had that top installed and it was a dream=
to erect and fold the whole time I had it. I attribute that to the fact th=
at it wasn't stretchable when installed.
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> My advice is to get your top installed when the weather is cold and the m=
aterial is more resistant to stretching. The installer will pre-stretch the=
top less and it will work better in the long run.
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> Here's another anecdote: I bought a tonneau for the TR3 which was, in my o=
pinion, cut about 1 inch too short. I installed the Lift-A-Dot snaps as clo=
se to the edges as I could but still could only install it on a hot day in t=
he sun. Since this car lives mostly in the garage the tonneau is virtually p=
ermanently installed and over the years as the cover gets less stretchy it h=
as become easier to install. I think the plasticizer has dissipated and the=
top took a set in the stretched position. So, this raises a question: What=
would happen if one slit some garden hose and placed it over the bows and l=
eft the top up with a little extra stretch. After a while the top will take=
a set with extra slack, perhaps making it easier to put up.
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> Or buy your top years before you install it.
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> Dave
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dave MacKay <dave@mdmackay.ca>
>> To: triumphs@autox.team.net
>> Sent: Mon, Dec 28, 2020 4:41 pm
>> Subject: Re: [TR] New TR6 top
>>=20
>> I, too, have had problems with the Robbins tops although my car is a TR3A=
, not a TR6.
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> Like Bob with his TR6, my tonneau (and also a convertible top) is so tigh=
t that I can only fit it with great effort even in warm sunny weather. The t=
onneau was installed by professional installers who complained about the fit=
. Robbins was responsive when I complained. I even sent my previous tonneau t=
o them so they could see what fit, but the replacement they sent me after th=
at was no better.
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> The top hasn=E2=80=99t stretched or loosened over time. If anything, it m=
ay have shrunk because it seems as hard or harder than ever to put on.
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> I would suggest having the top (tonneau or convertible) made by your inst=
aller so that you get a good fit. That would have been cheaper for me than b=
uying the Robbins tonneau and having to pay for two installations.
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> As always, particularly since you=E2=80=99re dealing with a TR6 not a TR3=
A, YMMV
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> Good luck,
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><br><br><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature" dir=3D=
"ltr">Vote for Guy Fawkes! The only man who entered Parliament with honest i=
ntentions.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On 29 Dec 2020, at 17:58, David Friedla=
nder <<a href=3D"mailto:forzion7@gmail.com";>forzion7@gmail.com</a>> wr=
ote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr=
"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif=
;font-size:large;color:#000099">I have had a Prestige Twilfast-canvas-type&n=
bsp;top for my TR6 for the last ten + years. It still looks and fits great! I=
had it professionally installed and I've had zero regrets. Not sure how you=
can see the hoodstick through the window....</div><div class=3D"gmail_defau=
lt" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000=
099"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans m=
s,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099">Dave</div></div><br><div class=3D=
"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 1=
2:53 PM dave <<a href=3D"mailto:dave@ranteer.com";>dave@ranteer.com</a>>=
; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0=
px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D=
"EN-US" style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div class=3D"gmail-m_307727624=
6423130986WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I have a prestige top on my t=
r6 and I hate it. it really is not the right size (too narrow) and the=
rear window is too large, so you can see the hoodstick through it<u></u><u>=
</u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
">And, just half a dozen years from having it installed, there are glued por=
tions that have become unglued. Its really awful, and if my options we=
ren=E2=80=99t so expensive I would replace it<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"M=
soNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div style=3D"border-right:none;border-bot=
tom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0=
in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Triumphs <<a href=3D"mailto:t=
riumphs-bounces@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">triumphs-bounces@autox.tea=
m.net</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>David Friedlander<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday,=
December 29, 2020 11:01 AM<br><b>To:</b> DAVID MASSEY <<a href=3D"mailto=
:dave1massey@cs.com" target=3D"_blank">dave1massey@cs.com</a>><br><b>Cc:<=
/b> <a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">triumphs@au=
tox.team.net</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:dave@mdmackay.ca"; target=3D"_blank">dave=
@mdmackay.ca</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] New TR6 top<u></u><u></u></p></=
div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal"><span style=3D"font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";=
color:rgb(0,0,153)">At least the vinyl top has a plasticizer in it. Sunfast t=
ops are NOT going to stretch no matter what or when. When they're tight, the=
y're tight. Not sure I understand why the various manufacturers don't try ou=
t their patterns on actual vehicles and adjust them, especially for when the=
y use fabrics that don't stretch. I have a hoodstick cover from Prestige in t=
he UK and have had a real challenge to get it to stretch to fit the lift-the=
-dot fasteners properly. The manufacturer has never actually fitted one to a=
real TR3 so I don't know how they derive their patterns....<u></u><u></u></=
span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18pt;fon=
t-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:rgb(0,0,153)"><u></u> <u></u><=
/span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18pt;fo=
nt-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:rgb(0,0,153)">Dave Friedlander<u><=
/u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:rgb(0,0,153)"><u></u>&n=
bsp;<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-=
size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:rgb(0,0,153)">Dave<u><=
/u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u>=
</p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 11:51 AM DAVID M=
ASSEY <<a href=3D"mailto:dave1massey@cs.com"; target=3D"_blank">dave1masse=
y@cs.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style=3D"border-t=
op:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,2=
04,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><di=
v><div id=3D"gmail-m_3077276246423130986gmail-m_-4886593744213825898yiv86383=
86929"><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;f=
ont-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">The vinyl material used in tops is p=
roduced with a plasticizer which is an additive that makes the vinyl soft, p=
liable and stretchable. The problem is this product is volatile and wi=
ll dissipate over time making the top less and less stretchable. If th=
e top stretched whens installed (and installers don't like wrinkles and the e=
asiest way to remove wrinkles is the stretch the top to remove them) it will=
become more difficult to erect, especially when cold. When I rebuilt m=
y TR6 in 1996 a friend gave me a top that was sitting in his basement for 20=
-odd years (he bought it but his car was totaled before he could get it inst=
alled). I had that top installed and it was a dream to erect and fold t=
he whole time I had it. I attribute that to the fact that it wasn't st=
retchable when installed.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:bla=
ck"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">My advice i=
s to get your top installed when the weather is cold and the material is mor=
e resistant to stretching. The installer will pre-stretch the top less=
and it will work better in the long run.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans=
-serif;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:bl=
ack">Here's another anecdote: I bought a tonneau for the TR3 which was, in m=
y opinion, cut about 1 inch too short. I installed the Lift-A-Dot snap=
s as close to the edges as I could but still could only install it on a hot d=
ay in the sun. Since this car lives mostly in the garage the tonneau i=
s virtually permanently installed and over the years as the cover gets less s=
tretchy it has become easier to install. I think the plasticizer has d=
issipated and the top took a set in the stretched position. So, this r=
aises a question: What would happen if one slit some garden hose and placed i=
t over the bows and left the top up with a little extra stretch. After=
a while the top will take a set with extra slack, perhaps making it easier t=
o put up.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black"><u></u> =
;<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">Or buy your top years befor=
e you install it.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black"><u><=
/u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin=
-bottom:12pt"><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;c=
olor:black">Dave </span><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans=
-serif;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black"><=
u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D=
"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black"><u></u> <u></=
u></span></p></div><div id=3D"gmail-m_3077276246423130986gmail-m_-4886593744=
213825898yiv8638386929yqtfd03937"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margi=
n-bottom:12pt"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;co=
lor:black">-----Original Message-----<br>From: Dave MacKay <<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:dave@mdmackay.ca" target=3D"_blank">dave@mdmackay.ca</a>><br>To: <a h=
ref=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">triumphs@autox.team=
.net</a><br>Sent: Mon, Dec 28, 2020 4:41 pm<br>Subject: Re: [TR] New TR6 top=
<u></u><u></u></span></p><div id=3D"gmail-m_3077276246423130986gmail-m_-4886=
593744213825898yiv8638386929"><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">I, too, have=
had problems with the Robbins tops although my car is a TR3A, not a TR6.<u>=
</u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-=
size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black"> <u></u><u></u></sp=
an></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-=
family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">Like Bob with his TR6, my tonneau (and a=
lso a convertible top) is so tight that I can only fit it with great effort e=
ven in warm sunny weather. The tonneau was installed by professional install=
ers who complained about the fit. Robbins was responsive when I complained. I=
even sent my previous tonneau to them so they could see what fit, but the r=
eplacement they sent me after that was no better.<u></u><u></u></span></p></=
div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Ar=
ial,sans-serif;color:black"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;=
color:black">The top hasn=E2=80=99t stretched or loosened over time. If anyt=
hing, it may have shrunk because it seems as hard or harder than ever to put=
on.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D=
"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black"> <u></u><u></=
u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt=
;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">I would suggest having the top (t=
onneau or convertible) made by your installer so that you get a good fit. Th=
at would have been cheaper for me than buying the Robbins tonneau and having=
to pay for two installations.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color=
:black"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><sp=
an style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">As alwa=
ys, particularly since you=E2=80=99re dealing with a TR6 not a TR3A, YMMV<u>=
</u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-=
size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black"> <u></u><u></u></sp=
an></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-=
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