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On Thu, Jan 8, 2026 at 9:57=E2=80=AFAM John Macartney <johnbmacartney@gmx.c=
om>
wrote:
> Please do. I=E2=80=99ve noticed in the past that the person who commendab=
ly
> promotes Drive Your Triumph Day each February, has unknowingly got some
> facts about Black (which I now can=E2=80=99t recall) rather back to front=
. It=E2=80=99s
> this sort of thing that misleads people who really do value Standard Moto=
r
> Company history and it=E2=80=99s hellishly difficult to correct these err=
ors at a
> later date. Maybe I=E2=80=99m being unnecessarily pedantic but it still g=
rieves me
> when well-intended people don=E2=80=99t check their facts.
>
Since my retirement from my day job, I have gotten the genealogy bug. The
havoc that well-meaning dabblers can cause on the Internet is amazing.
THere is an organization called Find A Grave. People who have found other
people's mistakes elsewhere take these untruths and put them on FG
memorials, Then other folks think that FG is a credible source and repeat
these errors back into the other databases.
For instance, my late wife was descended from Margaret Gavin (born in
Liverpool of Irish parents) and Angus Weatherhead, her 2nd husband.
Margaret's first husband was Matthew Slattery, reportedly born in Ireland.
Margaret and Matthew were married in Wisconsin, then moved to Minnesota
where they lived with their several children including Helen Slattery.
Matthew died on Christmas Eve 1897. I have found no record that any of
these people ever lived in Michigan.
Meanwhile there was another Matthew Slattery. Of course, there have been
many people named Mattew Slattery!. THIS one married Caherine Shields in
Michigan. They had several children, including Helen Slattery. This
family seems to have stayed in Michigan.
As soon as someone on Ancestry.com (or the like) conflated the two men
named Matthew Slattery, the trouble began. The tangle of incorrect
associations for not just Matthew Slattery, but for Helen
Slattery, snowballed out of control. Next thing you know, there was a
conflation of Margaret Gavin and Catherine Shields.
Phil Ethier, West Side, Saint Paul Minnesota, USA
2006 Gulf Stream Conquest Super C, 8.1, white
2011 Cayman 2.9 PDK, white
2021 Ford F-150 3500cc twin turbo, white
1991 Caterham 1700 Super Sprint, not white
2003 Birkin
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fon=
t-family:monospace"><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quo=
te_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jan 8, 2026 at =
9:57=E2=80=AFAM John Macartney <<a href=3D"mailto:johnbmacartney@gmx.com=
">johnbmacartney@gmx.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail=
_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204=
,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr"></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr">Please do. I=E2=80=99ve noticed in the past that the person who co=
mmendably promotes Drive Your Triumph Day each February, has unknowingly go=
t some facts about Black (which I now can=E2=80=99t recall) rather back to =
front. It=E2=80=99s this sort of thing that misleads people who really do v=
alue Standard Motor Company history and it=E2=80=99s hellishly difficult to=
correct these errors at a later date. Maybe I=E2=80=99m being unnecessaril=
y pedantic but it still grieves me when well-intended people don=E2=80=99t =
check their facts.=C2=A0</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace">Since my retirement from=
my day job, I have gotten the genealogy bug.=C2=A0 The havoc=C2=A0that wel=
l-meaning dabblers can cause on the Internet is amazing.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><=
div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace"><br></div><div =
class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace">THere is an organiz=
ation=C2=A0called Find A Grave. People who have found other people's mi=
stakes=C2=A0elsewhere take these untruths and put them on FG memorials,=C2=
=A0 Then other folks think that FG is a credible source and repeat these er=
rors back into the other databases.</div></div><div><br clear=3D"all"></div=
><div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace">For inst=
ance, my late wife was descended from Margaret Gavin (born in Liverpool of =
Irish parents) and Angus Weatherhead, her 2nd husband. Margaret's first=
husband was Matthew Slattery, reportedly born in Ireland.=C2=A0 Margaret a=
nd Matthew were married in Wisconsin, then moved to Minnesota where they li=
ved with their several children including Helen Slattery.=C2=A0 Matthew die=
d on Christmas Eve 1897.=C2=A0 I have found no record that any of these peo=
ple ever lived in Michigan.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font=
-family:monospace"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fam=
ily:monospace">Meanwhile there was another Matthew Slattery. Of course, the=
re have been many people named Mattew Slattery!. THIS one married Caherine =
Shields in Michigan.=C2=A0 They had several children, including Helen Slatt=
ery.=C2=A0 This family seems to have stayed in Michigan.</div><div class=3D=
"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace"><br></div><div class=3D"gma=
il_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace">As soon as someone on Ancestry.=
com (or the like) conflated the two men named Matthew Slattery, the trouble=
began.=C2=A0 The tangle of incorrect associations for not just Matthew Sla=
ttery, but for Helen Slattery,=C2=A0snowballed=C2=A0out of control.=C2=A0 N=
ext thing you know, there was a conflation of Margaret Gavin and Catherine =
Shields.</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monos=
pace"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace=
"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><di=
v dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><span style=3D"color:r=
gb(0,0,0);font-size:12.8px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font face=3D=
"monospace">Phil Ethier, West Side, Saint Paul Minnesota, USA</font></span>=
</div><div><span style=3D"font-family:monospace;color:rgb(0,0,0)">2006 Gulf=
Stream Conquest Super C, 8.1, white</span></div><div><span style=3D"color:=
rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font face=3D"monospace">2011=
Cayman 2.9 PDK, white</font></span></div><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0=
,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font face=3D"monospace">2021 Ford F=
-150 3500cc twin turbo, white</font></span></div><div><span style=3D"backgr=
ound-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font face=3D"monospace">1991 Caterham 1700 Su=
per Sprint, not white</font></span></div><div><span style=3D"background-col=
or:rgb(255,255,255)"><font face=3D"monospace"><span class=3D"gmail_default"=
style=3D"font-family:monospace">2003 Birkin</span><br></font></span></div>=
<div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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