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Re: PVGPA Historic Races

To: carlynneracing@sbcglobal.net, vintage-race@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: PVGPA Historic Races
From: "Mark Palmer" <mgvrmark@hotmail.com>
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 18:42:14 +0000
Carl,

It's just the way I wrote it in the previous message -- ALL formula cars up 
to 1972 at BeaveRun, but ONLY pre-1960 formula cars at Schenley Park.

So, a Formula Ford is welcome at BeaveRun, but is not eligible for Schenley 
Park.  Clear enough?

Please try to understand that these are TWO SEPARATE EVENTS, with two 
separate sets of rules & eligibility, and TWO SEPARATE CLUBS involved.  The 
only relationship between the two events is that they are both under the 
overall umbrella of the PVGP Association, and both events raise money for 
the same charities.

And one of the main reasons for creating the second event is to be able to 
accomodate cars that haven't been eligible at Schenley Park. So, it should 
come as no surprise that the eligibility rules are different.  That was the 
intent!

Your comparison to General Racing, Inc (Steve Earle's company) is not really 
accurate.  A better West-coast comparison might be if CSRG ran at 
Thunderhill one weekend, and HMSA ran at Laguna Seca a week later.  Two 
separate events ... two separate sets of rules & eligibility ... two 
separate clubs.  Some cars would undoubtedly be eligible for both events.  
Other cars might only be eligible for one.

I think we all understand your point about not entering events where one 
doesn't feel wanted.  But the clear message should be, if you have a 
pre-1973 vintage car, the Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix Association (and the 
related charites) WANTS YOU, has always wanted you, and now finally has a 
place for 1960-1972 cars to run.  It has taken a lot of effort to get the 
Historic Races off the ground, and PVGPA and the related clubs have done 
that specifically because people like you have indicated an interest in the 
past, but weren't eligible previously.  Yes, I know that BeaveRun isn't a 
street course through the city of Pittsburgh, it's not exactly the same 
thing, but it is something that PVGPA and VRG can offer to the owners of 
1960-1972 vintage cars so that you can be part of the Pittsburgh vintage 
experience.

Mark Palmer
VRG Event Chairman for the PVGP Historic Races at BeaveRun


>From: "Carl McLelland" <carlynneracing@sbcglobal.net>
>To: "Mark Palmer" <mgvrmark@hotmail.com>,"Vintage Race Net" 
><vintage-race@autox.team.net>
>CC: <cfchrist@earthlink.net>
>Subject: Re: PVGPA Historic Races
>Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 10:20:54 -0700
>
>Mark,
>Now I'm confused. Would a Monoposto legal formula Ford be able to race the 
>second weekend at Schenley Park? (Note: you stipulate "all formula cars" 
>for weekend #1, but say "FJr" for weekend #2). In a way it's a mute point 
>because (1) I'm on the west coast and (2) I'll be on Lake Powell for a 
>couple weeks in July. However, if I'm asking the question there must be at 
>least a dozen others out there thinking it.
>
>With regard to Charles' reluctance to enter let me explain something 
>occurring 'out west'. Steve Earle puts on 'the Big Three' out here: Wine 
>Country Classic, Monterey Historics and Coronado GP. Even though Monoposto 
>regulates formula Ford you'll not see a formula Ford at any of Steve's 
>(General Racing) events. Why? Because he feels formula Ford drivers are 
>"overly aggressive and take unnecessary chances", and he doesn't like 
>formula Ford.
>
>I understand Charles' reluctance. If Steve were to offer an entry to me to 
>'the big 3' just because I'm such a "nice guy and bitch'n dude" I would be 
>forced to turn him down. I won't 'play in any sandboxes' where I feel I'm a 
>'second class citizen'; whether the feeling is real or imagined.
>
>Someday I hope to participate in a 'street event', but until that 
>day....... every hope that your event comes off safe and smooth.
>     Carl
>         Lotus 61 formula Ford





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