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21. Re: Rules and 'Cheating' (score: 1): Author: lwdent <lwdent@fwi.com>; Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:20:09 -0500; I ran production cars for years in SCCA and always looked at the rules to see if there were any loopholes, or ways to BEND the rule to my advantage. If done properly (still done today) it comes to a; /html/vintage-race/2001-01/msg00264.html (8,694 bytes)
22. Re: Rules and 'Cheating' (score: 1): Author: WSpohn4@aol.com; Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:52:01 EST; Ha ha! My hill climbing career was early on - back in the 70s, at Victoria Observatory hill and Ioco near Vancouver. I'm not sure I was capable of any 10/10ths in those early days! The driver was Ian; /html/vintage-race/2001-01/msg00266.html (9,992 bytes)
23. Re: Rules and 'Cheating' (score: 1): Author: Jim Hayes <hayes@mediaone.net>; Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 22:19:49 -0500; Funny, I could not find my post of the last couple years on this subject. Anyway, to quote Richard Petty: "Cheat Neat!" And my comment: more rules make more cheaters! IMHO: As for Donohue and Penske,; /html/vintage-race/2001-01/msg00273.html (10,315 bytes)
24. Re: Rules and 'Cheating' (score: 1): Author: mike rosen <mikerosen@home.com>; Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 22:54:56 -0500; Jim: And never forget..."I knows he's cheating because I'm cheating and he's beating me" or "if they wasn't cheat'in they'ed all finish last" Mike (solidly in some percentage of the 10%); /html/vintage-race/2001-01/msg00274.html (8,845 bytes)
25. Re: Rules and 'Cheating' (score: 1): Author: Grant Reynolds <grant62@starpower.net>; Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 00:33:16 -0500; "Bending the rules", properly understood, should mean carefully parsing the language in which the rule is written and producing an interpretation of it which, though plausible, may not be what the ru; /html/vintage-race/2001-01/msg00295.html (10,160 bytes)
26. Re: Rules and 'Cheating' (score: 1): Author: "Richard E. Buckingham, Jr." <rebjrmd@ix.netcom.com>; Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 07:00:20 -0800; I totally agree with Grant. In race car preparation, CHEATING is modifying the car/engine/drivetrain in a way which is not allowed either specifically by the rules or is not allowed with a blanket st; /html/vintage-race/2001-01/msg00300.html (12,644 bytes)
27. Re: Rules and 'Cheating' (score: 1): Author: WSpohn4@aol.com; Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 10:33:24 EST; Good synopsis, Dick. Let me add one example of 'lawyering'. I was on the executive of the local MG/Jag club some years ago. I AM a lawyer, and could read the rules the club had for concours in a crit; /html/vintage-race/2001-01/msg00302.html (10,661 bytes)
28. Re: Rules and 'Cheating' (score: 1): Author: "Roger Sieling" <Rogsie@telesistech.com>; Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 11:22:08 -0500; good example. Good synopsis, Dick. Let me add one example of 'lawyering'. I was on the executive of the local MG/Jag club some years ago. I AM a lawyer, and could read the rules the club had for conc; /html/vintage-race/2001-01/msg00304.html (10,915 bytes)
29. Re: Rules and 'Cheating' (score: 1): Author: Tombread@aol.com; Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 11:30:39 EST; As we used to interpret the GCR, you could do anything that wasn't specifically prohibited. Most of these creative changes were costly and were beyond a lowly E production racer, but I had a mechanic; /html/vintage-race/2001-01/msg00305.html (9,079 bytes)
30. Re: Rules and 'Cheating' (score: 1): Author: Grant Reynolds <grant62@starpower.net>; Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 11:48:17 -0500; usually a good racing drivers school will gain more lap time than rules bending or loophole searching. Only at the Donohue level does the mechanical advantage, if any, gained by those actions actuall; /html/vintage-race/2001-01/msg00307.html (9,564 bytes)
31. Re: Rules and 'Cheating' (score: 1): Author: Grant Reynolds <grant62@starpower.net>; Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 11:43:30 -0500; Well done, counselor! Grant Reynolds, J.D.(Columbia 1960) Also SCCA Steward; /html/vintage-race/2001-01/msg00308.html (11,483 bytes)
32. Re: Rules and 'Cheating' (score: 1): Author: WSpohn4@aol.com; Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 11:58:51 EST; We had a guy with a big Healey that did this back in the late 70s. We all helped push the damned thing (and are those Austin Lorries ever heavy) for a race or two, and then suggested that he either s; /html/vintage-race/2001-01/msg00309.html (9,053 bytes)
33. Re: Rules and 'Cheating' (score: 1): Author: lwdent <lwdent@fwi.com>; Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 14:19:50 -0500; This discussion reminds me of an event that happened early in Trans-Am history when the book was not as thick and officials sort of made it up as they went along, much as I do on occasion in running; /html/vintage-race/2001-01/msg00310.html (9,220 bytes)
34. Re: Rules and 'Cheating' (score: 1): Author: lwdent <lwdent@fwi.com>; Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 14:36:53 -0500; Hi Tom, Have to respectfully disagree with you on your basic presumption on the GCR. As long as I can remember (1963 or so) the GCR has clearly stated in the first few lines that the rules are strict; /html/vintage-race/2001-01/msg00312.html (8,690 bytes)
35. Re: Rules and 'Cheating' (score: 1): Author: S800Racer@aol.com; Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 14:46:56 EST; << The Stewards thought that was reasonable, and the crew promptly put in a couple of quarts of oil, 22 gallons of gas and rolled over 4 new tires, all mounted up on the mag wheels. Only problem is e; /html/vintage-race/2001-01/msg00313.html (9,138 bytes)
36. Re: Rules and 'Cheating' (score: 1): Author: Grant Reynolds <grant62@starpower.net>; Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 15:19:44 -0500; And that's why cars are now weighed as they come off the track... Grant; /html/vintage-race/2001-01/msg00316.html (9,298 bytes)
37. Re: Rules and 'Cheating' (score: 1): Author: Simon Favre <simon@mondes.com>; Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:59:01 -0800; Your honor, I would submit the following passage wherein the defendant specifically asked permission to have his car weighed "just as the car went on the track, not off." The car in question certainl; /html/vintage-race/2001-01/msg00319.html (9,822 bytes)
38. Re: Rules and 'Cheating' (score: 1): Author: Simon Favre <simon@mondes.com>; Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 13:38:37 -0800; Well, that's ONE way to increase the Lead content of the fuel! ;=); /html/vintage-race/2001-01/msg00320.html (8,403 bytes)
39. Re: Rules and 'Cheating' (score: 1): Author: lwdent <lwdent@fwi.com>; Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:58:50 -0500; Come on Doug, give us all a break with your pretend legalese. Your reasoning is crap and you know it, but you are trying to convince people of something that simply is not so. Sounds like you are a c; /html/vintage-race/2001-01/msg00332.html (7,710 bytes)
40. Re: Rules and 'Cheating' (score: 1): Author: WSpohn4@aol.com; Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 11:03:23 EST; That nicely defines a lawyer's job. Indeed - trying to sell a bill of goods to someone that has heard it all before - either a criminal lawyer, or just about anyone coming home late after a night wit; /html/vintage-race/2001-01/msg00334.html (7,865 bytes)

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