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1. [Land-speed] American Engineering (score: 1): Author: Bryan Savage <b.a.savage@wildblue.net>; Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:20:44 -0800; "And to think - this was done with 1950's technology." Every time someone talking about cars says "their engineers are better than American engineers", I get upset. Sometimes I will challenged them a; /html/land-speed/2008-01/msg00136.html (8,686 bytes)
2. Re: [Land-speed] American Engineering (score: 1): Author: "Keith Turk" <kturk@ala.net>; Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 10:35:20 -0600; Bryan I totally agree... and politically could jump all over this ... but best I let that dog lie... K _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html; /html/land-speed/2008-01/msg00137.html (7,777 bytes)
3. Re: [Land-speed] American Engineering (score: 1): Author: "Glen Barrett" <speedtimer@beyondbb.com>; Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:46:35 -0700; Back when all of the outsourcing started the unions fought it and lost. Hell they pay the farmers to not grow crops so we can buy the same stuff out of Mexico and let them cross the borders and steal; /html/land-speed/2008-01/msg00138.html (9,095 bytes)
4. Re: [Land-speed] American Engineering (score: 1): Author: Wester Potter <wester6935@comcast.net>; Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 10:52:58 -0700; Ford Motor Company's highest cost, next to raw materials, is employee benefits, not salaries. You can blame collective bargaining for that. Locally Geneva Steel shut own and the plants equipment was; /html/land-speed/2008-01/msg00140.html (10,229 bytes)
5. Re: [Land-speed] American Engineering (score: 1): Author: "Dave Dahlgren" <ddahlgren@snet.net>; Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:08:56 -0500; I suspect the outsourcing started because of the unions and that is why they lost. If you had to pay someone to install a left front wheel all day every day what do you think it is worth in the real; /html/land-speed/2008-01/msg00141.html (9,203 bytes)
6. Re: [Land-speed] American Engineering (score: 1): Author: Doug Anderson <boogiewoogie12@hotmail.com>; Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:22:51 +0000; BRIAN: Totally agree with you on this... a very DEEP and complicated subject to be sure... TAKE PRIDE M' FRIENDS: "this just in" " the North American Car of the Year is Chevrolet Malibu". Beating out; /html/land-speed/2008-01/msg00142.html (9,952 bytes)
7. Re: [Land-speed] American Engineering (score: 1): Author: James Tone <gmc6power@earthlink.net>; Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:13:33 -0500 (EST); The test is really time. Look back at any 10 year old american car built/designed in america and see how it's fairing with the competition. Most of the time not so good. I use this reason by looking; /html/land-speed/2008-01/msg00143.html (8,617 bytes)
8. Re: [Land-speed] American Engineering (score: 1): Author: NT788@comcast.net; Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:50:14 +0000; I have seen the enemy, it is us! Vote for Ron Paul _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Land-speed mailing list http://autox.team.net/mailm; /html/land-speed/2008-01/msg00144.html (9,823 bytes)
9. Re: [Land-speed] American Engineering (score: 1): Author: Bryan Savage <b.a.savage@wildblue.net>; Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:11:59 -0800; Well Wes, who agreed to all of those benefits? Management or Engineering? I remember back in the '40's and '50's, there were auto strikes that lasted months. By the '70's, management was caving in at; /html/land-speed/2008-01/msg00146.html (11,333 bytes)
10. Re: [Land-speed] American Engineering (score: 1): Author: DougOdom <dlodom@charter.net>; Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:49:54 -0800; Doug Odom in big ditch _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Land-speed mailing list http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed; /html/land-speed/2008-01/msg00147.html (8,821 bytes)
11. Re: [Land-speed] American Engineering (score: 1): Author: Bryan Savage <b.a.savage@wildblue.net>; Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:28:02 -0800; Interesting Doug. "the UAW has just killed the American car maker" actually the American car maker held the gun to their head while the UAW pulled the trigger. Are you saying that we should go back t; /html/land-speed/2008-01/msg00149.html (10,476 bytes)
12. Re: [Land-speed] American Engineering (score: 1): Author: DougOdom <dlodom@charter.net>; Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:03:26 -0800; Doug _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Land-speed mailing list http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed; /html/land-speed/2008-01/msg00150.html (9,704 bytes)
13. Re: [Land-speed] American Engineering (score: 1): Author: "Mobley-Anderson" <mactem@mebtel.net>; Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:19:20 -0500; IMHO everyone involved, be it government, corporate management, union management, and workers of all levels, selfishly want, ask, demand more money for themselves without taking into account the cons; /html/land-speed/2008-01/msg00151.html (9,091 bytes)
14. Re: [Land-speed] American Engineering (score: 1): Author: "Keith Turk" <kturk@ala.net>; Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:25:08 -0600; Man I hate politic's but this just reeks... Basically what we had was a Manufacturing society... we kicked ass... we made things... now we don't... you pick the reason... mostly because we are greedy; /html/land-speed/2008-01/msg00152.html (8,785 bytes)
15. Re: [Land-speed] American Engineering (score: 1): Author: "Sparky.2211" <Sparky.2211@cox.net>; Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:50:31 -0700; Jack right on As in the IMORTAL words of POGO "we have met the enemy and he is US"!!!!!! Sparky AA/_ L 2211 Gear Grinder-SCTA -- Original Message -- From: <NT788@comcast.net> ________________________; /html/land-speed/2008-01/msg00153.html (8,490 bytes)
16. Re: [Land-speed] American Engineering (score: 1): Author: "Sparky.2211" <Sparky.2211@cox.net>; Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:05:21 -0700; They aren't slovenly anymore--its the fringe benefits that are killing them--GM can now produce some of their cars cheaper that TNH--as far labor in the Plants--it the BENNIES from past contracts--ju; /html/land-speed/2008-01/msg00155.html (8,574 bytes)
17. Re: [Land-speed] American Engineering (score: 1): Author: Doug Anderson <boogiewoogie12@hotmail.com>; Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 02:42:39 +0000; Hear ! Hear ! cheers, "Dirt Track Doug" ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// ////////////////////////// they every crops bowl of money planes re look ________; /html/land-speed/2008-01/msg00156.html (10,712 bytes)
18. Re: [Land-speed] American Engineering (score: 1): Author: Doug Anderson <boogiewoogie12@hotmail.com>; Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 02:55:12 +0000; IMHO David has just hit the issue SQUARE ON THE HEAD. Point IMHO GOD's curse on mankind is greed. I am convinced. What to do about it ? That's like asking GOD "why" cheers, "Dirt Track Doug" -- oooo; /html/land-speed/2008-01/msg00158.html (9,500 bytes)
19. Re: [Land-speed] American Engineering (score: 1): Author: NT788@comcast.net; Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 08:36:33 +0000; I think it all started when the first fish swam ashore to beat his buddy to a piece of food. Jack _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Land; /html/land-speed/2008-01/msg00160.html (9,412 bytes)
20. Re: [Land-speed] American Engineering (score: 1): Author: NT788@comcast.net; Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 08:45:23 +0000; Well Bryan, who started those strikes management, or the workers? Who profited when the prices were raised to "cover" the increased wages? jack _______________________________________________ Support; /html/land-speed/2008-01/msg00161.html (9,596 bytes)

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