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1. Dry sump (score: 1): Author: Glenn Ridlen <gridlen@yahoo.com>; Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 08:20:42 -0800 (PST); Dave or Grib How much HP do you think a dry sump would be worth on my "D" gas motor (4.020 x 3.00 chevy). Glenn Dave Dahlgren <ddahlgren@snet.net> wrote:Now there is the right idea.. something that y; /html/land-speed/2003-01/msg00929.html (7,964 bytes)
2. Re: Dry sump (score: 1): Author: Dave Dahlgren <ddahlgren@snet.net>; Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 12:06:14 -0500; The question ought tobe how much more reliable will it make my engine.. the answer an order of magnitude at least. The other question i would have is how hard do you spin it. The higher the rpm the m; /html/land-speed/2003-01/msg00932.html (8,274 bytes)
3. Re: Dry sump (score: 1): Author: Glenn Ridlen <gridlen@yahoo.com>; Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 09:17:59 -0800 (PST); I have a cam and valve train that should get me into the 9000 RPM range. You may remenber me as the guy that is running an 18 degree head on a "D", which I think you questioned as too much head for; /html/land-speed/2003-01/msg00938.html (8,786 bytes)
4. RE: Dry sump (score: 1): Author: "Russel Mack" <rtmack@concentric.net>; Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 12:00:13 -0600; I'd like to point-out that you can gain significant HP with a dry-sump if you are brave enough (or desperate enough!) to run it electric-drive, on a total-loss system. Of course, the engine reliabili; /html/land-speed/2003-01/msg00942.html (9,016 bytes)
5. RE: Dry sump (score: 1): Author: Glenn Ridlen <gridlen@yahoo.com>; Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 10:37:46 -0800 (PST); What do you mean "total loss"? I can see the electric drive would save some HP. Do you have any numbers on the HP gain, HP required to drive pump or net gain, either engine driven or electric. Glenn; /html/land-speed/2003-01/msg00944.html (9,558 bytes)
6. RE: Dry sump (score: 1): Author: "Jim Webb" <jimwebb@nutsracing.com>; Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 12:35:27 -0600; What do you mean by a 'total-loss' system? Is that what you have if the battery dies? Jim Webb --Original Message-- From: owner-land-speed@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-land-speed@autox.team.net]On B; /html/land-speed/2003-01/msg00945.html (8,541 bytes)
7. RE: Dry sump (score: 1): Author: "Russel Mack" <rtmack@concentric.net>; Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 13:49:46 -0600; I don't have the %power requirement for the lube system "off the top of my head", but I can probably find some good numbers with a little research in my library. A "total loss" electrical system is; /html/land-speed/2003-01/msg00948.html (10,603 bytes)
8. RE: Dry sump (score: 1): Author: Glenn Ridlen <gridlen@yahoo.com>; Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 12:11:27 -0800 (PST); OK, yeah we run a total loss system, ie we run enough battery that we don't need onboard charging. I really wonder how much power it would take to drive the dry sump punp......now you got me thinkin; /html/land-speed/2003-01/msg00950.html (9,203 bytes)
9. Re: Dry sump (score: 1): Author: "DrMayf" <drmayf@teknett.com>; Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 12:46:59 -0800; Hey, this is interesting! For a wet sump engine or for that matter a dry sump with an external scavenge and supply pump the horsepower to drive it should go up with rpm. Has to bypass more also, I wo; /html/land-speed/2003-01/msg00952.html (9,610 bytes)
10. Re: Dry sump (score: 1): Author: Glenn Ridlen <gridlen@yahoo.com>; Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 12:54:00 -0800 (PST); Don't think I would put a fuse in that circuit but......think about it.....volume only needs to be enough to lubricate at max RPM....any more just carries heat off the bearings...hmmmmm...wonder how; /html/land-speed/2003-01/msg00953.html (10,076 bytes)
11. Re: Dry sump (score: 1): Author: bernie brown <bernien2@swbell.net>; Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 16:35:15 -0600; I think you are talking 15--30 hp to drive a pump for a 4-500 hp motor. That would be a pretty good size motor,w/big wires! BB don't need onboard charging. I really wonder how much power it would ta; /html/land-speed/2003-01/msg00954.html (9,357 bytes)
12. Re: Dry sump (score: 1): Author: Ed Van Scoy <ed@vetteracing.com>; Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 15:53:41 -0700; I run a total loss system, and a dry sump (off the crank). I can spin the pump easily with my hand, so I really doubt it is eating up much HP. MSD claims that the quality of spark is more important t; /html/land-speed/2003-01/msg00955.html (11,107 bytes)
13. RE: Dry sump (score: 1): Author: "Russel Mack" <rtmack@concentric.net>; Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 17:14:26 -0600; yeah, whatever you give back to the crank, ya gotta replace with power from somewhere else! And (if my old eyes are reading that little graph correctly), that's a lot of electric power-- and big wir; /html/land-speed/2003-01/msg00956.html (10,041 bytes)
14. RE: Dry sump (score: 1): Author: Glenn Ridlen <gridlen@yahoo.com>; Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 15:44:02 -0800 (PST); Russ and Bernie Hmmmm wonder what one of the larger diesel starter motors will produce.....Hell for that matter a 24V aircraft starter! Glenn Russel Mack <rtmack@concentric.net> wrote:a powerful, SHO; /html/land-speed/2003-01/msg00957.html (8,751 bytes)
15. RE: Dry sump (score: 1): Author: "Russel Mack" <rtmack@concentric.net>; Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 18:00:40 -0600; those are the sources that I thought might prove promising, too. -- for you guys, that is. I could drive mine little gixxer pumps with a 1-cell clock motor. Russ, #1226B --Original Message-- From: G; /html/land-speed/2003-01/msg00958.html (9,203 bytes)
16. Re: Dry sump (score: 1): Author: Dave Dahlgren <ddahlgren@snet.net>; Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 06:26:59 -0500; I have no idea what it takes to run a dry sump pump vs. an internal pump. I buy them from weaver and consider it the price of keeping the bearings happy.. I would suspect it takes several foot lbs to; /html/land-speed/2003-01/msg00962.html (10,303 bytes)
17. Re: Dry sump (score: 1): Author: Dave Dahlgren <ddahlgren@snet.net>; Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 06:36:38 -0500; Just carries heat off the bearings ??? Yikes Batman I thought that was what we were trying to do..In order to run the correct pressure you need the correct amount of flow in gallons per minute. The f; /html/land-speed/2003-01/msg00963.html (9,494 bytes)
18. Re: Dry sump (score: 1): Author: Dave Dahlgren <ddahlgren@snet.net>; Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 06:44:48 -0500; measure the foot lbs and do the math.. the pump runs at 1/2 speed. if 8000 rpm.. then the pump runs 4000. are you suggesting it takes 40 ft lbs to turn the pump?? more like 5 or less i suspect. I am; /html/land-speed/2003-01/msg00964.html (9,043 bytes)
19. Re: Dry sump (score: 1): Author: Glenn Ridlen <gridlen@yahoo.com>; Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 08:00:05 -0800 (PST); This is exactly what I was trying to get at with the thread I started 2 or 3 weeks ago. I read (in some MSD promotional BS) that their systems work all the way down to 9 volts. Don't know if I belie; /html/land-speed/2003-01/msg00972.html (9,726 bytes)
20. RE: Dry sump (score: 1): Author: "rgribble" <rgribble@carolina.rr.com>; Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 11:17:43 -0500; Not sure if we're both on the same page but the dry sump system wants a minimum amount of vacuum as well as the pressure oiling. I expect to run about 17 to 20" vacuum on my V6. Some NASCAR builders; /html/land-speed/2003-01/msg00974.html (9,689 bytes)

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