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21. Re: crack-up at the historics (score: 1): Author: Brian Evans <brian@uunet.ca>; Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 09:25:00 -0400; Stirling did two ill advised moves, not one. First, he tried to late brake inside damn near half the field on the first real corner of the race, going onto the dirt on the inside to do so. He tapped; /html/vintage-race/1999-08/msg00215.html (13,161 bytes)
22. Re: crack-up at the historics (score: 1): Author: S800Racer@aol.com; Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 09:31:35 EDT; <<Actually, it was Stirling Moss in the 1959 Le Mans winning Aston Martin. We should all be ashamed of deriding the wrong auto racing icon.>> What, do you mean to say that Moss has banged up another; /html/vintage-race/1999-08/msg00216.html (10,169 bytes)
23. Re: crack-up at the historics (score: 1): Author: "Mordy Dunst" <mordyd@email.msn.com>; Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 07:58:29 -0600; I suppose a basic "rule of thumb" would be "if you race-it -- be prepared to lose-it". If your pockets are deep anything can be run,repaired, and run again. I'm sure the Aston, Lister Corvette and Ol; /html/vintage-race/1999-08/msg00220.html (9,494 bytes)
24. Re: crack-up at the historics (score: 1): Author: Brian Evans <brian@uunet.ca>; Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:36:08 -0400; This brings a few thoughts to my mind... The coverage was great. Flat out the best coverage of a vintage event that I can imagine, with lots of really quite well done vignettes to fill in the inevita; /html/vintage-race/1999-08/msg00222.html (11,079 bytes)
25. RE: crack-up at the historics (score: 1): Author: Jim Hill <Jim_Hill@chsra.wisc.edu>; Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 13:09:34 -0500; If I recall correctly (always an iffy proposition), one of the announcers mentioned that the DBR1 in question has already been re-bodied twice. Which, of course, is no excuse for ol' Stirling coming; /html/vintage-race/1999-08/msg00225.html (9,452 bytes)
26. Re: crack-up at the historics (score: 1): Author: "" <greenman62@hotmail.com>; Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:11:46 PDT; After reading all the posts I gotta know if there's videotape out there of this event. I'm presuming it's on Speedvision... We don't have Speevision here in Champoo/Bannana... Greg Greg Petrolati Ch; /html/vintage-race/1999-08/msg00231.html (9,159 bytes)
27. Re: crack-up at the historics (score: 1): Author: Walt@chekov.mayfield.hp.com (Walt Boeninger); Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 14:10:57 PDT; [from vintage-race-owner@autox.team.] Yes, it was Stirling 2 years ago at Monterey...it was also a similar move in the same corner...I see a pattern... Someone in our group was asked if he would allo; /html/vintage-race/1999-08/msg00233.html (9,854 bytes)
28. Re: crack-up at the historics (score: 1): Author: Clark Smith <clark@dnf.com>; Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 21:39:09 GMT; Letting someone else (famous) drive your car is something I have never understood. I can't believe it is for the generosity of the "good of the sport". There must be something else to gain. Example:; /html/vintage-race/1999-08/msg00236.html (10,321 bytes)
29. Re: crack-up at the historics (score: 1): Author: Simon Favre <simon@mondes.com>; Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:53:52 -0700; There is something to be said for reuniting a car with its original famed driver. Even if the old timer doesn't get to drive the car, it does the current owner an immeasurable amount of emotional goo; /html/vintage-race/1999-08/msg00238.html (11,391 bytes)
30. Re: crack-up at the historics (score: 1): Author: "Doneen Sales (1987) Ltd." <doneen@itcanada.com>; Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:25:13 -0400; Greetings from Canada. I also watched that incident on Speedvision (mostly a lurker and fan...not ready for primetime just yet). Perhaps his inside move was a tad ill-advised, but more importantly pe; /html/vintage-race/1999-08/msg00259.html (10,003 bytes)
31. Re: crack-up at the historics (score: 1): Author: MHKitchen@aol.com; Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 12:07:31 EDT; << WAKE UP RACERS! What we witnessed was racing, not a parade! While it's important to respect the vintage cars and their vulnerability to expensive damage or destruction, they are nonetheless RACE C; /html/vintage-race/1999-08/msg00262.html (10,736 bytes)
32. Re: crack-up at the historics (score: 1): Author: S800Racer@aol.com; Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 12:48:11 EDT; <<What motivated this owner to go through all this trouble? Rich guys?>> Whatever wets your whistle. Although he probably was able to listen to the former hero driver tell a good many priceless anecd; /html/vintage-race/1999-08/msg00263.html (8,921 bytes)
33. Re: crack-up at the historics (score: 1): Author: S800Racer@aol.com; Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 13:24:14 EDT; <<Rich guys, fast guys and idiots. -- A great title of a pretty good book by Sam Moses. >> Oops, I think that title is supposed to be "Fast guys, rich guys and idiots"; /html/vintage-race/1999-08/msg00266.html (8,811 bytes)
34. Re: crack-up at the historics (score: 1): Author: "Jim & Ann Brown" <thebrowns@pdq.net>; Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 13:29:52 -0500; Since you asked for it, I will abandon my customary restraint and make this observation. I am pleased to be able to agree with one thing (but only one thing) you say -- you are indeed not ready for; /html/vintage-race/1999-08/msg00270.html (11,043 bytes)
35. Re: crack-up at the historics (score: 1): Author: larry gallo <agallo@pcfl.net>; Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:02:04 -0400; Gentlemen, it was NOT Phil Hill but SMOSS who used Tim Samway's DBR1 to Earnhart Vic Edelbrock's Lister (not seriously from what I could see) and what could perhaps have been Terry Larson's D Jag (if; /html/vintage-race/1999-08/msg00272.html (10,080 bytes)
36. Re: crack-up at the historics (score: 1): Author: "Wm. Severin Thompson" <wsthompson@thicko.com>; Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:24:24 -0500; Speaking of famous people...in other people's cars... BS Levy drove the Red Rat Bastard at Road America once ... it scared him so much, he did one lap and pulled in... and it's never easy to get Burt; /html/vintage-race/1999-08/msg00274.html (11,038 bytes)
37. Re: crack-up at the historics (score: 1): Author: "James Wiseman - JDW Media" <james@jdwmedia.com>; Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 22:28:24 +0100; Hi all, As a lurker de-lurking for a bit, and sticking my neck on the line, I have to say that I agree somewhat with Paul, if not exactly with everything he said. Maybe we just do things differently; /html/vintage-race/1999-08/msg00276.html (11,578 bytes)
38. RE: crack-up at the historics (score: 1): Author: Jim Hill <Jim_Hill@chsra.wisc.edu>; Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:48:34 -0500; Tony Drews and I were right behind him in the Drews' TR4 for that lap. You may recall that I attempted (lamely) to compliment you on your driving when told it was your car. Was much relieved (and my; /html/vintage-race/1999-08/msg00278.html (8,400 bytes)
39. Re: crack-up at the historics (score: 1): Author: "Cris Vandagriff" <hmsa@email.msn.com>; Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:47:54 -0700; You still don't get it - It was not Phil Hill nor a Maserati!! Best watch that tape again! --Original Message-- From: Tony Drews <tmccis@revealed.net> To: vintage-race@autox.team.net <vintage-race@a; /html/vintage-race/1999-08/msg00279.html (11,452 bytes)
40. Re: crack-up at the historics (score: 1): Author: "Wm. Severin Thompson" <wsthompson@thicko.com>; Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:01:05 -0500; No doubt... definately a different sense of competition in European vintage racing... we experienced this in the 1990 Healey Challenge when the Brits were punting everything in sight... these damage; /html/vintage-race/1999-08/msg00281.html (12,369 bytes)

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