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Re: [6pack] Mileage and Emission Standards

To: "'Spridgets'" <spridgets@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [6pack] Mileage and Emission Standards
From: John North <johncnorth@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 17:42:15 -0400
Seems ironic that the original poster thought this was an Obama issue
when, truth be told it arises in a State with a Republican Governor.

John

On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 9:12 PM, Navarrette, Vance
<vance.navarrette@intel.com> wrote:
>        John:
>
>        As I understand it, there has been no discussion of retroactively
applying
> emissions standards to old cars. Anything is possible I suppose, but it
seems
> unlikely.
>        A more real possibility is the so called "cash for clunkers"
program.
> California ran a pilot program using one form of this concept. The concept
is
> simple, give people cash or some sort of tax incentive, to toss an old car
in
> the crusher.
>        California's pilot paid something like $2500 for any car you cared to
turn
> in, provided that: 1. It had current registration. 2. It was old (25 years
or
> more?). 3. It was insured. 4. It had functional safety equipment (wipers,
turn
> signals, brake lights, etc) 4. It was driven, under its own power, to the
> collection point. 5. It had a clear title.
>        Calif then performed an emissions test and asked how many miles per
year the
> car was driven, bought the car and crushed it. They then totaled up the
> estimated number of tons of pollutants that the cars would have emitted and
> number of dollars spent to remove those pollutants. The conclusion was that
> crushing old cars was a screaming bargain in terms of dollars spent per ton
of
> emissions removed from the air per year.
>        The car collectors howled because potentially collectible and/or
restorable
> cars were being destroyed, even though the cars were no owned by
collectors.
> The reasoning was that the pool of potentially restorable cars would be
> drastically reduced. The program was not renewed when the pilot expired.
>        There are other variations on this. Offering trade in incentives,
tax
> credits, etc. I suppose it might be cheaper for governments to simply
instruct
> classic car owners to update their cars to current standards, but it seems
far
> fetched to me. But then, I thought it was unlikely that Obama would be our
> next president too.
>
>        Vance
>
>    Vance Navarrette
>    Cogito Ergo Zoom
>    I think, therefore I go fast
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces@autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of shewfamily@aol.com
> Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 5:10 PM
> To: 6pack@autox.team.net
> Subject: [6pack] Mileage and Emission Standards
>
> Has anyone seen or read anything about the Obama administration's proposed
new
> requirements for new car mileage and emission standards that would indicate
> plans to apply those to existing cars?
>
> <snip>
>
> John Shewmake
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