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To: Andrew Uprichard <auprichard@uprichard.net>, triumphs@autox.team.net, 6pack@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [6pack] [TR] eBay - a sobering story
From: Bob Labuz via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net>
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2018 11:13:22 -0400
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Andrew

I picked up my 63 TR4 site unseen. The car was too far away to go and 
see but the photos and representation were spot on. And the seller threw 
in many spares not listed on the original ad.

I would have liked to view the car before bidding but I wanted a project 
and this was the best available at the time. I guess I was lucky.

But since then, problems did surface with Ebay on both selling and 
buying so I stopped. I think there are too many scammers out there to do 
long distance selling and buying.

I no longer use ebay or paypal. If I buy from a retailer on-line it is 
one I trust and use only CC.

Too bad ebay is protecting this bum.

Bob

On 10/19/18 6:03 PM, Andrew Uprichard wrote:
>
> Before I start the story, let me take full responsibility for my own 
> stupidity.  I screwed up.  But the follow-up is where I think others 
> need to be careful.
>
> Having bought a TR3 with a body which was beyond salvage, I have been 
> looking for, and was prepared to pay good money for, a decent tub.  I 
> recently saw one on eBay which was advertised as being ?in good 
> condition?.  It was fairly expensive, so I emailed the seller _twice_ 
> and asked specifically about the extent of the rust:  he replied by 
> assuring me the car was ?in great condition? with ?minimal rust?.  I 
> asked for additional pics, but he said it was difficult as the car was 
> at a different location.
>
> After I bid and won, the seller emailed me to say I had to pick the 
> car up within 24 hours as he had a family commitment and would be gone 
> for a week.  The car was several hours away and I explained I couldn?t 
> make it.  He said OK, but he wanted the money immediately.  I called 
> PayPal and they said I would lose any protection if I paid before 
> seeing the car.  So I called eBay and they reassured me I was covered 
> 100% by the eBay vehicle protection plan (VPP).  So I paid.  My mistake.
>
> A week later I drove out and found a car with rust holes big enough to 
> put my hand through and a passenger side with so much collision damage 
> I doubt  it could ever be restored.  Oh, and the frame was bent.  I 
> told him I wasn?t going to take the car, he had misrepresented it, and 
> I wanted my money back.  He told me tough, you paid already, it?s yours.
>
> I came home and called eBay only to be told the VPP only applies to 
> cars less than 10 years old and that I had no recourse other than to 
> sue the seller.  After several sleepless nights I decided I could do 
> without the stress of litigation and so I drove back out to collect 
> the car.  When I got there the seller told me he had sold it to 
> someone else.  Great, I said, give me my money. Nah, he said, you take 
> it and I?ll deal with the other guy. The seller had brought a few 
> buddies over, and so I simply loaded the car up and drove home.
>
> Bottom line ? I salvaged one replacement panel and 2 fenders, one of 
> which is fiberglass.  The car is being collected this week for a trip 
> to the scrapyard.
>
> It was my fault and I accept responsibility for it.  Thankfully, my 
> lovely wife has not given me grief and as a Christian I forgive the 
> guy.  But I did leave negative feedback on eBay.  The EXACT words were 
> ?Total misrepresentation of the car.  Buyers beware?.  It never 
> posted.  I called eBay today and was told the seller had appealed my 
> feedback as it was ?pejorative and threatened the future success of 
> his business?.  As a result eBay had the right to remove it ? and they 
> did.  And they will not let me leave any negative feedback.
>
> I still love the Triumph community, but I am a little more cynical 
> about mankind (which is a shame) and I am disgusted with eBay.  I 
> guess I am venting, but if anyone has a good TR3 tub???
>
> Andrew Uprichard
>
> Jackson, Michigan
>


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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Andrew</div>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix"><br>
    </div>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">I picked up my 63 TR4 site unseen. The
      car was too far away to go and see but the photos and
      representation were spot on. And the seller threw in many spares
      not listed on the original ad.</div>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix"><br>
    </div>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">I would have liked to view the car
      before bidding but I wanted a project and this was the best
      available at the time. I guess I was lucky.</div>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix"><br>
    </div>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">But since then, problems did surface
      with Ebay on both selling and buying so I stopped. I think there
      are too many scammers out there to do long distance selling and
      buying.</div>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix"><br>
    </div>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">I no longer use ebay or paypal. If I
      buy from a retailer on-line it is one I trust and use only CC.</div>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix"><br>
    </div>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Too bad ebay is protecting this bum.</div>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix"><br>
    </div>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Bob</div>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix"><br>
    </div>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/19/18 6:03 PM, Andrew Uprichard
      wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Times New
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            Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Times New
            Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">Having bought a TR3 with a
            body which was beyond salvage, I have been looking for, and
            was prepared to pay good money for, a decent tub.  I
            recently saw one on eBay which was advertised as being ?in
            good condition?.  It was fairly expensive, so I emailed the
            seller <u>twice</u> and asked specifically about the extent
            of the rust:  he replied by assuring me the car was ?in
            great condition? with ?minimal rust?.  I asked for
            additional pics, but he said it was difficult as the car was
            at a different location.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Times New
            Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Times New
            Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">After I bid and won, the
            seller emailed me to say I had to pick the car up within 24
            hours as he had a family commitment and would be gone for a
            week.  The car was several hours away and I explained I
            couldn?t make it.  He said OK, but he wanted the money
            immediately.  I called PayPal and they said I would lose any
            protection if I paid before seeing the car.  So I called
            eBay and they reassured me I was covered 100% by the eBay
            vehicle protection plan (VPP).  So I paid.  My 
mistake.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Times New
            Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Times New
            Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">A week later I drove out and
            found a car with rust holes big enough to put my hand
            through and a passenger side with so much collision damage I
            doubt  it could ever be restored.  Oh, and the frame was
            bent.  I told him I wasn?t going to take the car, he had
            misrepresented it, and I wanted my money back.  He told me
            tough, you paid already, it?s yours.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Times New
            Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Times New
            Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">I came home and called eBay
            only to be told the VPP only applies to cars less than 10
            years old and that I had no recourse other than to sue the
            seller.  After several sleepless nights I decided I could do
            without the stress of litigation and so I drove back out to
            collect the car.  When I got there the seller told me he had
            sold it to someone else.  Great, I said, give me my money. 
            Nah, he said, you take it and I?ll deal with the other guy. 
            The seller had brought a few buddies over, and so I simply
            loaded the car up and drove home.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Times New
            Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Times New
            Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">Bottom line ? I salvaged one
            replacement panel and 2 fenders, one of which is
            fiberglass.  The car is being collected this week for a trip
            to the scrapyard.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Times New
            Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Times New
            Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">It was my fault and I accept
            responsibility for it.  Thankfully, my lovely wife has not
            given me grief and as a Christian I forgive the guy.  But I
            did leave negative feedback on eBay.  The EXACT words were
            ?Total misrepresentation of the car.  Buyers beware?.  It
            never posted.  I called eBay today and was told the seller
            had appealed my feedback as it was ?pejorative and
            threatened the future success of his business?.  As a result
            eBay had the right to remove it ? and they did.  And they
            will not let me leave any negative feedback.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Times New
            Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Times New
            Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">I still love the Triumph
            community, but I am a little more cynical about mankind
            (which is a shame) and I am disgusted with eBay.  I guess I
            am venting, but if anyone has a good TR3 
tub???<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Times New
            Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">Andrew 
Uprichard<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Times New
            Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">Jackson, 
Michigan<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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