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To: Andrew Uprichard <auprichard@uprichard.net>, "triumphs@autox.team.net" <triumphs@autox.team.net>, "6pack@autox.team.net" <6pack@autox.team.net>, TERRY SMITH <terryrs@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [6pack] [TR] eBay - a sobering story
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Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2018 15:27:51 +0000
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Yes, and it could save one of us from the same experience.


Marty


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From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of TERRY SMITH <=
terryrs@comcast.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 9:12 AM
To: Andrew Uprichard; triumphs@autox.team.net; 6pack@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] eBay - a sobering story


You're doing the right thing, Andrew.  Except publicize his name and where =
he is.  E-Bay may control official feedback, but word-of-mouth has ever bee=
n a civilian's defensive tool.


Terry

On October 19, 2018 at 6:03 PM Andrew Uprichard <auprichard@uprichard.net> =
wrote:


Before I start the story, let me take full responsibility for my own stupid=
ity.  I screwed up.  But the follow-up is where I think others need to be c=
areful.



Having bought a TR3 with a body which was beyond salvage, I have been looki=
ng for, and was prepared to pay good money for, a decent tub.  I recently s=
aw one on eBay which was advertised as being =93in good condition=94.  It w=
as fairly expensive, so I emailed the seller twice and asked specifically a=
bout the extent of the rust:  he replied by assuring me the car was =93in g=
reat condition=94 with =93minimal rust=94.  I asked for additional pics, bu=
t he said it was difficult as the car was at a different location.



After I bid and won, the seller emailed me to say I had to pick the car up =
within 24 hours as he had a family commitment and would be gone for a week.=
  The car was several hours away and I explained I couldn=92t make it.  He =
said OK, but he wanted the money immediately.  I called PayPal and they sai=
d I would lose any protection if I paid before seeing the car.  So I called=
 eBay and they reassured me I was covered 100% by the eBay vehicle protecti=
on plan (VPP).  So I paid.  My mistake.



A week later I drove out and found a car with rust holes big enough to put =
my hand through and a passenger side with so much collision damage I doubt =
 it could ever be restored.  Oh, and the frame was bent.  I told him I wasn=
=92t going to take the car, he had misrepresented it, and I wanted my money=
 back.  He told me tough, you paid already, it=92s yours.



I came home and called eBay only to be told the VPP only applies to cars le=
ss than 10 years old and that I had no recourse other than to sue the selle=
r.  After several sleepless nights I decided I could do without the stress =
of litigation and so I drove back out to collect the car.  When I got there=
 the seller told me he had sold it to someone else.  Great, I said, give me=
 my money.  Nah, he said, you take it and I=92ll deal with the other guy.  =
The seller had brought a few buddies over, and so I simply loaded the car u=
p and drove home.



Bottom line =96 I salvaged one replacement panel and 2 fenders, one of whic=
h is fiberglass.  The car is being collected this week for a trip to the sc=
rapyard.



It was my fault and I accept responsibility for it.  Thankfully, my lovely =
wife has not given me grief and as a Christian I forgive the guy.  But I di=
d leave negative feedback on eBay.  The EXACT words were =93Total misrepres=
entation of the car.  Buyers beware=94.  It never posted.  I called eBay to=
day and was told the seller had appealed my feedback as it was =93pejorativ=
e and threatened the future success of his business=94.  As a result eBay h=
ad the right to remove it =96 and they did.  And they will not let me leave=
 any negative feedback.



I still love the Triumph community, but I am a little more cynical about ma=
nkind (which is a shame) and I am disgusted with eBay.  I guess I am ventin=
g, but if anyone has a good TR3 tub=85=85=85



Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Michigan











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<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, October 20, 2018 9:12 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Andrew Uprichard; triumphs@autox.team.net; 6pack@autox.team.net<=
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] eBay - a sobering story</font>
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You're doing the right thing, Andrew.&nbsp; Except publicize his name and w=
here he is.&nbsp; E-Bay may control official feedback, but word-of-mouth ha=
s ever been a civilian's defensive tool.<br>
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Terry<br>
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<blockquote type=3D"cite">On October 19, 2018 at 6:03 PM Andrew Uprichard &=
lt;auprichard@uprichard.net&gt; wrote:
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<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times Ne=
w Roman','serif'">Before I start the story, let me take full responsibility=
 for my own stupidity.&nbsp; I screwed up.&nbsp; But the follow-up is where=
 I think others need to be careful.
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times Ne=
w Roman','serif'">&nbsp;
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times Ne=
w Roman','serif'">Having bought a TR3 with a body which was beyond salvage,=
 I have been looking for, and was prepared to pay good money for, a decent =
tub.&nbsp; I recently saw one on eBay which
 was advertised as being =93in good condition=94.&nbsp; It was fairly expen=
sive, so I emailed the seller
<u>twice</u> and asked specifically about the extent of the rust:&nbsp; he =
replied by assuring me the car was =93in great condition=94 with =93minimal=
 rust=94.&nbsp; I asked for additional pics, but he said it was difficult a=
s the car was at a different location.
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times Ne=
w Roman','serif'">&nbsp;
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times Ne=
w Roman','serif'">After I bid and won, the seller emailed me to say I had t=
o pick the car up within 24 hours as he had a family commitment and would b=
e gone for a week.&nbsp; The car was several
 hours away and I explained I couldn=92t make it.&nbsp; He said OK, but he =
wanted the money immediately.&nbsp; I called PayPal and they said I would l=
ose any protection if I paid before seeing the car.&nbsp; So I called eBay =
and they reassured me I was covered 100% by the eBay
 vehicle protection plan (VPP).&nbsp; So I paid.&nbsp; My mistake. </span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times Ne=
w Roman','serif'">&nbsp;
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times Ne=
w Roman','serif'">A week later I drove out and found a car with rust holes =
big enough to put my hand through and a passenger side with so much collisi=
on damage I doubt&nbsp; it could ever be
 restored.&nbsp; Oh, and the frame was bent.&nbsp; I told him I wasn=92t go=
ing to take the car, he had misrepresented it, and I wanted my money back.&=
nbsp; He told me tough, you paid already, it=92s yours.
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times Ne=
w Roman','serif'">&nbsp;
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times Ne=
w Roman','serif'">I came home and called eBay only to be told the VPP only =
applies to cars less than 10 years old and that I had no recourse other tha=
n to sue the seller.&nbsp; After several
 sleepless nights I decided I could do without the stress of litigation and=
 so I drove back out to collect the car.&nbsp; When I got there the seller =
told me he had sold it to someone else.&nbsp; Great, I said, give me my mon=
ey.&nbsp; Nah, he said, you take it and I=92ll deal
 with the other guy.&nbsp; The seller had brought a few buddies over, and s=
o I simply loaded the car up and drove home.
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times Ne=
w Roman','serif'">&nbsp;
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times Ne=
w Roman','serif'">Bottom line =96 I salvaged one replacement panel and 2 fe=
nders, one of which is fiberglass.&nbsp; The car is being collected this we=
ek for a trip to the scrapyard.
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times Ne=
w Roman','serif'">&nbsp;
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times Ne=
w Roman','serif'">It was my fault and I accept responsibility for it.&nbsp;=
 Thankfully, my lovely wife has not given me grief and as a Christian I for=
give the guy.&nbsp; But I did leave negative feedback
 on eBay.&nbsp; The EXACT words were =93Total misrepresentation of the car.=
&nbsp; Buyers beware=94.&nbsp; It never posted.&nbsp; I called eBay today a=
nd was told the seller had appealed my feedback as it was =93pejorative and=
 threatened the future success of his business=94.&nbsp; As a result
 eBay had the right to remove it =96 and they did.&nbsp; And they will not =
let me leave any negative feedback.
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times Ne=
w Roman','serif'">&nbsp;
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times Ne=
w Roman','serif'">I still love the Triumph community, but I am a little mor=
e cynical about mankind (which is a shame) and I am disgusted with eBay.&nb=
sp; I guess I am venting, but if anyone has
 a good TR3 tub=85=85=85 </span></p>
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w Roman','serif'">&nbsp;
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<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times Ne=
w Roman','serif'">Andrew Uprichard
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times Ne=
w Roman','serif'">Jackson, Michigan
</span></p>
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