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Re: Head Cooling Problems

To: "stutzman" <stutzman@adelphia.net>,
Subject: Re: Head Cooling Problems
From: "Gerald Van Vlack" <jerryvv@alltel.net>
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 19:56:06 -0500
It's important to keep a cool head!
Bill Dentinger, you should be able to expand on this somehow.
JVV
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: stutzman
  To: Michael D. Porter
  Cc: fot@autox.team.net
  Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 7:43 PM
  Subject: Re: Head Cooling Problems


  mike
   thanks for taking the time to impart some of your knowledge.  I appreciate
  it and actually understood much of what you said.
  bruce

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Michael D. Porter" <mporter@zianet.com>
  To: "stutzman" <stutzman@adelphia.net>
  Cc: "MARK J WEATHERS" <markjwea@email.msn.com>; <fot@autox.team.net>
  Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 1:36 AM
  Subject: Re: Head Cooling Problems


  >
  >
  > stutzman wrote:
  > >
  > > in the TR4 comp manuel Kas said to break the bellows and re-install the
  > > thermostat.  "You must have a restriction in the system or the water
  pump
  > > will force the coolant through the radiator too fast for proper cooling
  to
  > > take place, and the engine can overheat very quickly."  His advice in
  the
  > > TR6 comp manuel is similar.
  >
  > With all due respect to Kas, I've weighed this one back and forth for
  > some time. Like others here, I've had some training in thermodynamics,
  > and think that there are some minor considerations that may interfere
  > with any pure thermodynamics theory, but have come to the opinion that
  > their effects are small to negligible. The question is of materials, and
  > as Bill Babcock says, of boundary layer effects.
  >
  > Two things regarding materials are of interest--coefficient of heat
  > transfer through the radiator material, and coefficient of heat transfer
  > off the material to air. Both of these, effectively, are rates, and by
  > definition, are time-dependent. Therefore, it would seem that residence
  > time of the hot coolant in contact with the radiator material would be
  > of consideration.
  >
  > As for boundary layer effects, if non-compressible fluids behave
  > similarly to compressible fluids, the greater the flow, the thinner the
  > boundary layer, but, as well, the greater stagnation of the boundary
  > layer. In the case of heat transfer, this creates two temperature
  > gradients--one from the hot fluid through the stagnant boundary layer
  > (which, being stagnant, is closer in temperature to the radiator
  > material), and the second is through the radiator material itself. Since
  > heat transfer is also linearly dependent upon the temperature gradient,
  > better heat transfer through the radiator would occur if there were no
  > boundary layer of coolant, which is a heat moderator, rather than a good
  > heat conductor as is the metal of the radiator.
  >
  > All that said, the gross thermodynamic theory still applies. In a closed
  > system, temperature equilibrium depends on only two things--the amount
  > of heat produced by the engine in a fixed period of time, and the amount
  > of heat rejected by the cooling system in that same time. If the heat
  > rejection capacity of the radiator exceeds the heat production of the
  > engine, under optimum conditions, total heat in the system (and,
  > therefore, indicated temperature) can be regulated by thermostat.
  >
  > If the heat production of the engine exceeds the heat rejection capacity
  > of the cooling system, that's where the rate-dependent materials
  > considerations come into play in any overheating equation. The materials
  > and design of the radiator will determine _how quickly_ the engine will
  > overheat if heat production exceeds heat rejection.
  >
  > The effect of a restriction in the thermostat housing is build pressure
  > in the block and the head to minimize nucleate boiling, purely and
  > simply. The lower the pressure in the cooling jacketing of the engine,
  > the greater the likelihood of nucleate boiling (this phenomenon hasn't
  > been adequately explained, I think--it has specifically to do with the
  > ability of water vapor to transfer much less heat as compared to liquid
  > water--the higher the pressure, the more difficult it is for the coolant
  > to boil, and if liquid coolant can't boil, more of the liquid is in
  > contact with the surface area transmitting combustion heat--transferring
  > much more heat to the coolant than can steam vapor). It has to do with
  > how many molecules of coolant are in contact with the cooling jacket,
  > and the space between those molecules. The farther apart the molecules,
  > the more difficult the heat transfer. As well, with more molecules of
  > coolant in contact with hot areas of the jacket, the greater the heat
  > transfer.
  >
  > The intent of increasing water pump pulley diameter, thus reducing speed
  > of rotation of the pump at high operating rpm, is to minimize the
  > _cavitation_ of a highly inefficient stock pump--cavitation creates
  > vacuum bubbles which act much like nucleate boiling--they are a point of
  > compressibility in an otherwise non-compressible fluid, which creates an
  > effective pressure loss in the system between the pump outlet and the
  > outlet to the radiator, and effectively increases nucleate boiling. The
  > original stock pumps have simple straight vanes cast into the impeller
  > plate, and those create turbulence at high speed which creates those
  > vacuum bubbles.
  >
  > Cheers.
  >
  > --
  > Michael D. Porter
  > Roswell, NM (yes, _that_ Roswell)
  > [mailto:mporter@zianet.com]
  >
  > Don't let people drive you crazy when you know it's within walking
  > distance.

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