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Re: fuel system questions

To: "Jason Sukey" <jasonsmf@cs.com>, <fot@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: fuel system questions
From: "Rocky Entriken" <rocky@tri.net>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 21:04:37 -0600
Only way? Starter cranking? whazzat? LOL

My electric fuel pump is activated by a toggle switch on the dash. It is
wired to a hot terminal on the ignition. Depending on how you wire it, you
may have to turn the key on (not start, just on), or maybe not. I don't --
but it is on a race car for me, so the first thing I turn on is the master
switch. If the car did not have a master switch I would wire it to an
ignition terminal where the key had to be on first. Juice comes direct from
the battery.

Then I just flick the switch and the fuel pumps start pumping.

Then I open my Accusump and get oil pressure.

Ahhhhh, oil pressure AND fuel pressure -- then I hit the key and start the
car.

And it is KISS.

If the engine is cold, sometimes it still takes a bit of cranking before it
will fire, but I have a new (as of a year ago) toy for that too -- one of
Ted Schumacher's nifty gear reduction starters. Unlike Lord Lucas's unit
that kicks the bendix off the flywheel gearteeth when it catches (and then
doesn't start so you have to do it again, and again), the gear reduction
starter bendix goes the other direction and it will crank nonstop until the
engine fires. So when it "almost" catches, you don't let go but keep
cranking until it does.

This unit is so cool -- last August when I had an ignition problem, I was
able to drive the car back to my paddock on the starter motor.

--Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason Sukey" <jasonsmf@cs.com>
To: "'Rocky Entriken'" <rocky@tri.net>; <fot@autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 6:25 PM
Subject: RE: fuel system questions


> No, no, not like that :-P.  If the only way to send juice to the
> electric fuel pump is via oil pressure or starter cranking, then what do
> you do after a rebuild when you got dry float bowls and no oil pressure
> (for us non accusumped people).  This is where my idea of a push button
> to run the pump to prime the system, send electricity to the pump
> bypassing your oil pressure switch, just to save on starter wear until
> you can get the carbs filled.  Kind of like the factory pumps with a
> primer lever, but in a more modern sort of way.  Maybe this is why I
> don't write how-to's, hehe :-D
> Jason
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Entriken [mailto:rocky@tri.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 6:23 PM
> To: Jason Sukey; 'Brad Kahler'; fot@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: fuel system questions
>
> Push button primer switch?
>
> It's called an electric fuel pump!
>
> :-)
>
> --Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jason Sukey" <jasonsmf@cs.com>
> To: "'Brad Kahler'" <brad.kahler@141.com>; <fot@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 4:48 PM
> Subject: RE: fuel system questions
>
>
> > Funny you brought this topic up, I am currently looking into the same
> > options for the tr6 autox'er.  As far as the oil pressure switch, I
> > would think you could wire up a relay that bypasses the pressure
> switch
> > when the starter is engaged. I'm also looking into a way to maybe have
> a
> > push button primer switch so that if the carbs have been off the car
> and
> > the float bowls are dry, I can get them filled back up without having
> to
> > crank the starter all day first.
> > Jason Sukey
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-fot@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-fot@autox.team.net] On
> > Behalf Of Brad Kahler
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 12:32 PM
> > To: fot@autox.team.net
> > Subject: fuel system questions
> >
> > All this talk about fuel pumps has me wondering about
> > another aspect of the fuel delivery system, inertia switches.
> >
> > Currently Susan's spitfire does not have one installed, nor
> > does it have a low oil pressure switch that would cut off the
> > pump either.
> >
> > Seems like it would be prudent to install one or both of the
> > above items.  For the inertia switch I'mwondering if they pose
> > problems on race cars.  Pegasus sells a unit for $65 that I
> > would hope would work on a race car.  Any thoughts on this
> > one?
> >
> > As for the oil pressure switch, seems this should be used no
> > matter what.  I'm assuming that when first cranking the
> > engine over to start oil pressure would be generated fairlly
> > quickly, especially with the use of an accusump to aid in
> > starting.  Am I missing something here?!
> >
> > Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Brad
> > 1957 TR3 vintage racer

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