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I got to examine this car in Seattle at a track day once. Saw it on the
track first and did not know what it was. Saw it in the pits and took a
look. Was blown away when I saw it was a TR6 engine. What really was
impressive is that, as I recall, it has a belly pan giving it good airflow
underneath.
Now that Tony Garmey has won the Kastner Cup, I hope he will join in some of
our FOT discussions. He is a member of FOT is he not? If not that is a
nomination needing to be made -- and Bill Hart also. He owns that car and I
think he drove a Tr powered Lister in the event.
2008/9/10 Shane Ingate <hottr6@hotmail.com>
> Henry Frye wrote:
> > During Kas' presentation of the cup, he said he has not
> > seen the car go as fast since he ran it at Sebring in '68. He then
> > issued a manufacturers recall notice, but I think Tony is going to take
> > his chances!
>
> Having read all'y'all fun stories about the Glen, the 6-cylindered TR250K
> and Sam Halkias' car were phenomenally fast, even faster than
> Bill Warner's and Tom Kreger's cars (which are phenomenal in their own
> right). I'm going to make the assumption that all the drivers were of
> god-like ability, and so any differences come down to the cars.
>
> From top-secret spy photos, I think I understand why Sam's car is so fast.
> I suspect that Sam's motor is producing way more HP than anyone else,
> and I think I have heard that Sam is running a TVR rear tube sub-frame
> as does Dave Wingett.
>
> I don't have as much access to spy photo's of Kas's car, but what I have
> seen
> does not explain the success of this car. Yes, I understand that the
> aerodynamics
> of the plastic body and weight is a significant advantage over the
> steel/plastic of
> the racing TR6s. I assume that the TR250K shares the same wheelbase and
> track
> as its production cousin. I am also assuming the TR250K is tube-framed,
> and thus
> more rigid. I am presuming that the engine is the same as Kas ran in the
> Kastner-Brophy
> TR250/6, so is not offering a HP advantage. Photos show that the front
> suspension of
> the TR250K is "stock" TR, except that I cannot find any bracing at the top
> of
> the coil tower. I have no idea what sort of voodoo is going on at the rear
> end,
> but I suspect that it has unequal-length A-arms. Anything has to be better
> than the Triumph semi-trailing arms.
>
> In summary, I'd say the reasons why the TR250K is so fast is due to:
> 1) Lightweight aerodynamic body, rigid tube frame;
> 2) Some unseen voodoo of the "stock" front suspension;
> 3) Rear suspension voodoo, including rear disk brakes.
>
> Of course, what I really need is more spy photos so that I can attempt
> to copy some of the more esoteric top secret engineering.
>
> Shane Ingate
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<div dir="ltr">I got to examine this car in Seattle at a track day once.
Saw it on the track first and did not know what it was. Saw it in the
pits and took a look. Was blown away when I saw it was a TR6
engine. What really was impressive is that, as I recall, it has a belly
pan giving it good airflow underneath.<br>
<br>Now that Tony Garmey has won the Kastner Cup, I hope he will join in some
of our FOT discussions. He is a member of FOT is he not? If not
that is a nomination needing to be made -- and Bill Hart also. He owns
that car and I think he drove a Tr powered Lister in the event. <br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">2008/9/10 Shane Ingate <span dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:hottr6@hotmail.com";>hottr6@hotmail.com</a>></span><br><blockquote
class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin:
0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div><div style="text-align: left;">Henry Frye wrote:<br>> During Kas'
presentation of the cup, he said he has not<span style="font-family:
monospace;"><br></span>> seen the car go as fast since he ran it at Sebring
in '68. He then<span style="font-family: monospace;"><br>
</span>> issued a manufacturers recall notice, but I think Tony is going to
take<span style="font-family: monospace;"><br></span>> his
chances!<br><br>Having read all'y'all fun stories about the Glen, the
6-cylindered TR250K<br>
and Sam Halkias' car were phenomenally fast, even faster than<br>Bill
Warner's and Tom Kreger's cars (which are phenomenal in their own
<br>right). I'm going to make the assumption that all the drivers
were of <br>
god-like ability, and so any differences come down to the cars.<br><br>From
top-secret spy photos, I think I understand why Sam's car is so fast.<br>I
suspect that Sam's motor is producing way more HP than anyone else,<br>
and I think I have heard that Sam is running a TVR rear tube sub-frame<br>as
does Dave Wingett.<br><br>I don't have as much access to spy photo's of
Kas's car, but what I have seen<br>does not explain the success of this
car. Yes, I understand that the aerodynamics<br>
of the plastic body and weight is a significant advantage over the
steel/plastic of <br>the racing TR6s. I assume that the TR250K shares the
same wheelbase and track<br>as its production cousin. I am also assuming
the TR250K is tube-framed, and thus <br>
more rigid. I am presuming that the engine is the same as Kas ran in the
Kastner-Brophy <br>TR250/6, so is not offering a HP advantage. Photos
show that the front suspension of <br>the TR250K is "stock" TR,
except that I cannot find any bracing at the top of<br>
the coil tower. I have no idea what sort of voodoo is going on at the
rear end,<br>but I suspect that it has unequal-length A-arms. Anything
has to be better<br>than the Triumph semi-trailing arms.<br><br>In summary,
I'd say the reasons why the TR250K is so fast is due to:<br>
1) Lightweight aerodynamic body, rigid tube frame;<br>2) Some unseen voodoo of
the "stock" front suspension;<br>3) Rear suspension voodoo, including
rear disk brakes.<br><br>Of course, what I really need is more spy photos so
that I can attempt<br>
to copy some of the more esoteric top secret engineering.<br><br>Shane
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