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the reason the tr250k is so fast is the talent behind the wheel. tony is =
a remakable driver and can make an also ran car run upfront. not that =
the tr250k is an also ran.the standing joke in the pits is if you want =
to take 5 seconds off your lap times just have tony drive it.the tr250k =
is a very good car very neat to see it run.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Shane Ingate=20
To: Friends of Triumph=20
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 8:36 AM
Subject: [Fot] Why is the TR250K so fast?
Henry Frye wrote:
> During Kas' presentation of the cup, he said he has not
> seen the car go as fast since he ran it at Sebring in '68. He then
> issued a manufacturers recall notice, but I think Tony is going to =
take
> his chances!
Having read all'y'all fun stories about the Glen, the 6-cylindered =
TR250K
and Sam Halkias' car were phenomenally fast, even faster than
Bill Warner's and Tom Kreger's cars (which are phenomenal in their own =
right). I'm going to make the assumption that all the drivers were of =
god-like ability, and so any differences come down to the cars.
From top-secret spy photos, I think I understand why Sam's car is so =
fast.
I suspect that Sam's motor is producing way more HP than anyone else,
and I think I have heard that Sam is running a TVR rear tube sub-frame
as does Dave Wingett.
I don't have as much access to spy photo's of Kas's car, but what I =
have seen
does not explain the success of this car. Yes, I understand that the =
aerodynamics
of the plastic body and weight is a significant advantage over the =
steel/plastic of=20
the racing TR6s. I assume that the TR250K shares the same wheelbase =
and track
as its production cousin. I am also assuming the TR250K is =
tube-framed, and thus=20
more rigid. I am presuming that the engine is the same as Kas ran in =
the Kastner-Brophy=20
TR250/6, so is not offering a HP advantage. Photos show that the =
front suspension of=20
the TR250K is "stock" TR, except that I cannot find any bracing at the =
top of
the coil tower. I have no idea what sort of voodoo is going on at the =
rear end,
but I suspect that it has unequal-length A-arms. Anything has to be =
better
than the Triumph semi-trailing arms.
In summary, I'd say the reasons why the TR250K is so fast is due to:
1) Lightweight aerodynamic body, rigid tube frame;
2) Some unseen voodoo of the "stock" front suspension;
3) Rear suspension voodoo, including rear disk brakes.
Of course, what I really need is more spy photos so that I can attempt
to copy some of the more esoteric top secret engineering.
Shane Ingate
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>the reason the tr250k is so fast is the talent =
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wheel. tony is a remakable driver and can make an also ran car run =
upfront. not=20
that the tr250k is an also ran.the standing joke in the pits is if you =
want to=20
take 5 seconds off your lap times just have tony drive it.the tr250k is =
a very=20
good car very neat to see it run.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dhottr6@hotmail.com href=3D"mailto:hottr6@hotmail.com";>Shane =
Ingate</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dfot@autox.team.net=20
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>Friends of Triumph</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, September 10, =
2008 8:36=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Fot] Why is the =
TR250K so=20
fast?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"TEXT-ALIGN: left">Henry Frye wrote:<BR>> During Kas'=20
presentation of the cup, he said he has not<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: monospace"><BR></SPAN>> seen the car go as =
fast since=20
he ran it at Sebring in '68. He then<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: monospace"><BR></SPAN>> issued a =
manufacturers recall=20
notice, but I think Tony is going to take<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: monospace"><BR></SPAN>> his =
chances!<BR><BR>Having read=20
all'y'all fun stories about the Glen, the 6-cylindered TR250K<BR>and =
Sam=20
Halkias' car were phenomenally fast, even faster than<BR>Bill Warner's =
and Tom=20
Kreger's cars (which are phenomenal in their own <BR>right). I'm =
going=20
to make the assumption that all the drivers were of <BR>god-like =
ability, and=20
so any differences come down to the cars.<BR><BR>From top-secret spy =
photos, I=20
think I understand why Sam's car is so fast.<BR>I suspect that Sam's =
motor is=20
producing way more HP than anyone else,<BR>and I think I have heard =
that Sam=20
is running a TVR rear tube sub-frame<BR>as does Dave Wingett.<BR><BR>I =
don't=20
have as much access to spy photo's of Kas's car, but what I have =
seen<BR>does=20
not explain the success of this car. Yes, I understand that the=20
aerodynamics<BR>of the plastic body and weight is a significant =
advantage over=20
the steel/plastic of <BR>the racing TR6s. I assume that the =
TR250K=20
shares the same wheelbase and track<BR>as its production cousin. =
I am=20
also assuming the TR250K is tube-framed, and thus <BR>more rigid. I am =
presuming that the engine is the same as Kas ran in the Kastner-Brophy =
<BR>TR250/6, so is not offering a HP advantage. Photos show that =
the=20
front suspension of <BR>the TR250K is "stock" TR, except that I cannot =
find=20
any bracing at the top of<BR>the coil tower. I have no idea what =
sort of=20
voodoo is going on at the rear end,<BR>but I suspect that it has=20
unequal-length A-arms. Anything has to be better<BR>than the =
Triumph=20
semi-trailing arms.<BR><BR>In summary, I'd say the reasons why the =
TR250K is=20
so fast is due to:<BR>1) Lightweight aerodynamic body, rigid tube =
frame;<BR>2)=20
Some unseen voodoo of the "stock" front suspension;<BR>3) Rear =
suspension=20
voodoo, including rear disk brakes.<BR><BR>Of course, what I really =
need is=20
more spy photos so that I can attempt<BR>to copy some of the more =
esoteric top=20
secret engineering.<BR><BR>Shane Ingate<BR></DIV><BR>
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