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from [Greg And Alison Blake via Fot] [Permanent Link][Original]
To: Jack Brooks <JIBrooks@Live.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3/4 starter issue
From: Greg And Alison Blake via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 11:08:03 -0500
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Jack,

I had a similar starter issue back when the 3 was a street car it had the sy=
mptoms that you describe. It was an internal fault in the starter. =46rom wh=
at I remember there was a bushing that had degraded over time that was causi=
ng the starter to not engage. It was spin just fine but could not engage an t=
urn the motor over.=20

Sorry, can't answer the other questions.=20



> On May 22, 2015, at 7:56 PM, Jack Brooks via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrot=
e:
>=20
> Amici,
> =20
> I am finally looking to install a gear reduction starter in my (post 60K) S=
treet/Auto-X  TR3A.  I believe I need the long later starter, as that is wha=
t is in the car, but I have some function issues which I do not understand. =
 My configuration is as follows:
> =20
> Block:  TR4
> Tranny: TR3, non-syncro OD.  The small starter bulge on the tranny has bee=
n modified/extended to accommodate the longer starter.  The hole is covered t=
o keep dirt and moisture out.
> Flywheel: TR4A-6 style, with bolt on ring gear, lightened to 22 pounds
> Clutch:  Clutchmaster TR6
> =20
> I believe the fact that I am using the TR4A-6 flywheel and bolt-on ring ge=
ar drives the need for the long starter.  Any help in confirming this would b=
e appreciated.
> =20
> While this combination has been in place for at least 10 years, I do get t=
imes when the starter spins up, but does not =E2=80=9Ccatch=E2=80=9D the rin=
g gear, so it does not turn over the engine.  Restarting always catches, alt=
hough sometimes this could take a few tries.  I=E2=80=99ve always thought th=
is was the starter needed an overhaul, but have not taken the time to pull i=
t and see.  The starter pinion and ring gear never crunch.  It either engage=
s well or not, although it may engage and =E2=80=9Cslip out=E2=80=9D occasio=
nally.  This non-engagement gets worse with decreasing temperature.  On a 40=
 degree day, I have tried over 15 starts before it=E2=80=99ll catch.  This i=
s unacceptable.=20
> =20
> I want to be sure this is a starter problem and not a component problem be=
fore I install a new starter and potentially cause problems.
> =20
> Also, any help on figuring out the non-engagement and slipping issues woul=
d be great. =20
> =20
> Just for grins, is there any way to tell which starter is installed withou=
t pulling it out?  It=E2=80=99s been a while.
>=20
> Thanks in advance,
> =20
> Jack
> =20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>Jack,</div><div><br></div><div>I had a=
 similar starter issue back when the 3 was a street car it had the symptoms t=
hat you describe. It was an internal fault in the starter. =46rom what I rem=
ember there was a bushing that had degraded over time that was causing the s=
tarter to not engage. It was spin just fine but could not engage an turn the=
 motor over.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Sorry, can't answer the other qu=
estions.&nbsp;<br><br><br></div><div><br>On May 22, 2015, at 7:56 PM, Jack B=
rooks via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</=
a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>


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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=
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12.0pt">Amici,</span></font><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D=
"font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=
=3D"font-size:
12.0pt">&nbsp;</span></font><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D=
"font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=
=3D"font-size:
12.0pt">I am finally looking to install a gear reduction starter in my (post=

60K) Street/Auto-X &nbsp;TR3A.&nbsp; I believe I need the long later starter=
,
as that is what is in the car, but I have some function issues which I do no=
t
understand.&nbsp; My configuration is as follows:</span></font><font size=3D=
"2" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><o=
:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=
=3D"font-size:
12.0pt">&nbsp;</span></font><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D=
"font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=
=3D"font-size:
12.0pt">Block: &nbsp;TR4</span></font><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><o:p></o:p></span></font></=
p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=
=3D"font-size:
12.0pt">Tranny: TR3, non-syncro OD.&nbsp; The small starter bulge on the tra=
nny
has been modified/extended to accommodate the longer starter.&nbsp; The hole=
 is
covered to keep dirt and moisture out.</span></font><font size=3D"2" face=3D=
"Calibri"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><o:p></o:p></=
span></font></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=
=3D"font-size:
12.0pt">Flywheel: TR4A-6 style, with bolt on ring gear, lightened to 22 poun=
ds </span></font><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"font-size:=
11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=
=3D"font-size:
12.0pt">Clutch:&nbsp; Clutchmaster TR6</span></font><font size=3D"2" face=3D=
"Calibri"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><o:p></o:p></=
span></font></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=
=3D"font-size:
12.0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=
=3D"font-size:
12.0pt">I believe the fact that I am using the TR4A-6 flywheel and bolt-on r=
ing
gear drives the need for the long starter.&nbsp; Any help in confirming this=
 would
be appreciated. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"font=
-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Calibri"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=
=3D"font-size:
12.0pt">While this combination has been in place for at least 10 years, I do=

get times when the starter spins up, but does not =E2=80=9Ccatch=E2=80=9D th=
e ring
gear, so it does not turn over the engine.&nbsp; Restarting always catches, a=
lthough
sometimes this could take a few tries.&nbsp; I=E2=80=99ve always thought thi=
s was
the starter needed an overhaul, but have not taken the time to pull it and
see.&nbsp; The starter pinion and ring gear never crunch.&nbsp; It either
engages well or not, although it may engage and =E2=80=9Cslip out=E2=80=9D o=
ccasionally.&nbsp;
This non-engagement gets worse with decreasing temperature.&nbsp; On a 40
degree day, I have tried over 15 starts before it=E2=80=99ll catch.&nbsp; Th=
is is
unacceptable.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=
=3D"font-size:
12.0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=
=3D"font-size:
12.0pt">I want to be sure this is a starter problem and not a component prob=
lem
before I install a new starter and potentially cause problems.</span></font>=
<font size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-famil=
y:Calibri"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=
=3D"font-size:
12.0pt">&nbsp;</span></font><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D=
"font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=
=3D"font-size:
12.0pt">Also, any help on figuring out the non-engagement and slipping issue=
s
would be great. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=
=3D"font-size:
12.0pt">&nbsp;</span></font><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D=
"font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=
=3D"font-size:
12.0pt">Just for grins, is there any way to tell which starter is installed w=
ithout
pulling it out?&nbsp; It=E2=80=99s been a while.<br>
<br>
Thanks in advance,</span></font><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=
=3D"font-size:
12.0pt">&nbsp;</span></font><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D=
"font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=
=3D"font-size:
12.0pt">Jack</span></font><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:
11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=
=3D"font-size:
12.0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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