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Jack, take the old starter off and use it for a boat anchor. You will not
be disappointed by the gear reduction unit. I'm using a Hi Torque gear
reduction starter made by Performance Products, Inc. I have had no
engagement problems whatsoever with the TR4A starter ring installed on a
Fidanza aluminum flywheel with the ring in the factory position. I was
running an old TR2 gearbox and there are no clearance issues. If you order
this starter, make sure that the unit has the upgraded billet aluminum
mounting flange. The starter I purchased came with the cast aluminum piece
and one of the mounting ears broke off from engine vibration. The billet
piece has worked fine so far. It was a bearcat to replace. Basically had to
take the whole starter apart.
On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 8:56 PM, Jack Brooks via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
wrote:
> Amici,
>
>
>
> I am finally looking to install a gear reduction starter in my (post 60K)
> Street/Auto-X TR3A. I believe I need the long later starter, as that is
> what is in the car, but I have some function issues which I do not
> understand. My configuration is as follows:
>
>
>
> Block: TR4
>
> Tranny: TR3, non-syncro OD. The small starter bulge on the tranny has
> been modified/extended to accommodate the longer starter. The hole is
> covered to keep dirt and moisture out.
>
> Flywheel: TR4A-6 style, with bolt on ring gear, lightened to 22 pounds
>
> Clutch: Clutchmaster TR6
>
>
>
> I believe the fact that I am using the TR4A-6 flywheel and bolt-on ring
> gear drives the need for the long starter. Any help in confirming this
> would be appreciated.
>
>
>
> While this combination has been in place for at least 10 years, I do get
> times when the starter spins up, but does not =E2=80=9Ccatch=E2=80=9D the=
ring gear, so it
> does not turn over the engine. Restarting always catches, although
> sometimes this could take a few tries. I=E2=80=99ve always thought this =
was the
> starter needed an overhaul, but have not taken the time to pull it and
> see. The starter pinion and ring gear never crunch. It either engages
> well or not, although it may engage and =E2=80=9Cslip out=E2=80=9D occasi=
onally. This
> non-engagement gets worse with decreasing temperature. On a 40 degree da=
y,
> I have tried over 15 starts before it=E2=80=99ll catch. This is unaccept=
able.
>
>
>
> I want to be sure this is a starter problem and not a component problem
> before I install a new starter and potentially cause problems.
>
>
>
> Also, any help on figuring out the non-engagement and slipping issues
> would be great.
>
>
>
> Just for grins, is there any way to tell which starter is installed
> without pulling it out? It=E2=80=99s been a while.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
>
>
> Jack
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">Jac=
k, take the old starter off and use it for a boat anchor. You will not be d=
isappointed by the gear reduction unit. I'm using a Hi Torque gear redu=
ction starter made by Performance Products, Inc. I have had no engagement p=
roblems whatsoever with the TR4A starter ring installed on a Fidanza alumin=
um flywheel with the ring in the factory position.=C2=A0 I was running an o=
ld TR2 gearbox and there are no clearance issues. If you order this starter=
, make sure that the unit has the upgraded billet aluminum mounting flange.=
The starter I purchased came with the cast aluminum piece and one of the m=
ounting ears broke off from engine vibration.=C2=A0 The billet piece has wo=
rked fine so far. It was a bearcat to replace. Basically had to take the wh=
ole starter apart.=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-si=
ze:small"><br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmai=
l_quote">On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 8:56 PM, Jack Brooks via Fot <span dir=3D"=
ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.=
team.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt">Amici,</span></font><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri=
"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><u></u><u></u></span=
></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt">=C2=A0</span></font><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri=
"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><u></u><u></u></span=
></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt">I am finally looking to install a gear reduction sta=
rter in my (post
60K) Street/Auto-X =C2=A0TR3A.=C2=A0 I believe I need the long later starte=
r,
as that is what is in the car, but I have some function issues which I do n=
ot
understand.=C2=A0 My configuration is as follows:</span></font><font size=
=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri=
"><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt">=C2=A0</span></font><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri=
"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><u></u><u></u></span=
></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt">Block: =C2=A0TR4</span></font><font size=3D"2" face=
=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><u></u><u=
></u></span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt">Tranny: TR3, non-syncro OD.=C2=A0 The small starter =
bulge on the tranny
has been modified/extended to accommodate the longer starter.=C2=A0 The hol=
e is
covered to keep dirt and moisture out.</span></font><font size=3D"2" face=
=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><u></u><u=
></u></span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt">Flywheel: TR4A-6 style, with bolt on ring gear, ligh=
tened to 22 pounds </span></font><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><u></u><u></u></span></font></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt">Clutch:=C2=A0 Clutchmaster TR6</span></font><font si=
ze=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calib=
ri"><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt">I believe the fact that I am using the TR4A-6 flywhe=
el and bolt-on ring
gear drives the need for the long starter.=C2=A0 Any help in confirming thi=
s would
be appreciated. <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt">While this combination has been in place for at leas=
t 10 years, I do
get times when the starter spins up, but does not =E2=80=9Ccatch=E2=80=9D t=
he ring
gear, so it does not turn over the engine.=C2=A0 Restarting always catches,=
although
sometimes this could take a few tries.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve always thought th=
is was
the starter needed an overhaul, but have not taken the time to pull it and
see.=C2=A0 The starter pinion and ring gear never crunch.=C2=A0 It either
engages well or not, although it may engage and =E2=80=9Cslip out=E2=80=9D =
occasionally.=C2=A0
This non-engagement gets worse with decreasing temperature.=C2=A0 On a 40
degree day, I have tried over 15 starts before it=E2=80=99ll catch.=C2=A0 T=
his is
unacceptable.=C2=A0 <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt">I want to be sure this is a starter problem and not =
a component problem
before I install a new starter and potentially cause problems.</span></font=
><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-fam=
ily:Calibri"><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt">=C2=A0</span></font><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri=
"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><u></u><u></u></span=
></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt">Also, any help on figuring out the non-engagement an=
d slipping issues
would be great. =C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt">=C2=A0</span></font><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri=
"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><u></u><u></u></span=
></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt">Just for grins, is there any way to tell which start=
er is installed without
pulling it out?=C2=A0 It=E2=80=99s been a while.<br>
<br>
Thanks in advance,</span></font><span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#8888=
88"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:Calibri"><u></u><u></u></span></font></font></span></p><span class=
=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt">=C2=A0</span></font><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri=
"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><u></u><u></u></span=
></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt">Jack</span></font><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri">=
<span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><u></u><u></u></span><=
/font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></font></p>
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