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To: "MadMarx" <tr4racing@googlemail.com>, "'FOT'" <fot@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing rod design
From: "Bill Tobin" <william.tobin31@verizon.net>
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 15:23:58 -0400
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Chris, maybe try Pauter, or if your pockets are deeper, Carrillo. Both =
make quality parts.
Good luck.
Bill
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: MadMarx=20
  To: 'FOT'=20
  Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:24 PM
  Subject: [Fot] Racing rod design


  Hi Guys,

  =20

  After my engine blow at the last race and a rod in two pieces I =
investigated about rod design.

  =20

  In US forums I found an interesting opinion:

  =20

  H-beam rods are for low rev high torque engine (turbo, compressor)

  I-beam are for medium torque engines with high revs

  =20

  As engineer I agree with this statement. On high revs the rod shaft =
gets bended back and forth by the inertia caused by the rotation.

  I could imagine that the sharp sides of the H-beam rod will create a =
crack after a while because the stiffness for bending along the rotation =
axis smaller than with an I-beam rod.

  That means to me that the fatigue resistance is smaller on an H-beam =
rod at high revs.

  With high revs on a long stroke engine I mean 6000+.

  =20

  The manufacturer of the broken H-beam rod was Scat.

  =20

  I think next time I order an I-beam rod from Scat.

  =20

  What do you think?

  =20

  Cheers

  Chris



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<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>Chris, maybe try Pauter, or if your =
pockets are=20
deeper, Carrillo. Both make quality parts.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>Good luck.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>Bill</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Dtr4racing@googlemail.com=20
  href=3D"mailto:tr4racing@googlemail.com";>MadMarx</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dfot@autox.team.net=20
  href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>'FOT'</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 21, 2015 =
1:24=20
PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Fot] Racing rod =
design</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV class=3DWordSection1>
  <DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; =
FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Hi=20
  Guys,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; =
FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; =
FONT-SIZE: 10pt"=20
  lang=3DEN-US>After my engine blow at the last race and a rod in two =
pieces I=20
  investigated about rod design.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; =
FONT-SIZE: 10pt"=20
  lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; =
FONT-SIZE: 10pt"=20
  lang=3DEN-US>In US forums I found an interesting =
opinion:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; =
FONT-SIZE: 10pt"=20
  lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; =
FONT-SIZE: 10pt"=20
  lang=3DEN-US>H-beam rods are for low rev high torque engine (turbo,=20
  compressor)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; =
FONT-SIZE: 10pt"=20
  lang=3DEN-US>I-beam are for medium torque engines with high=20
  revs<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; =
FONT-SIZE: 10pt"=20
  lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; =
FONT-SIZE: 10pt"=20
  lang=3DEN-US>As engineer I agree with this statement. On high revs the =
rod shaft=20
  gets bended back and forth by the inertia caused by the=20
  rotation.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; =
FONT-SIZE: 10pt"=20
  lang=3DEN-US>I could imagine that the sharp sides of the H-beam rod =
will create=20
  a crack after a while because the stiffness for bending along the =
rotation=20
  axis smaller than with an I-beam rod.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; =
FONT-SIZE: 10pt"=20
  lang=3DEN-US>That means to me that the fatigue resistance is smaller =
on an=20
  H-beam rod at high revs.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; =
FONT-SIZE: 10pt"=20
  lang=3DEN-US>With high revs on a long stroke engine I mean=20
  6000+.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; =
FONT-SIZE: 10pt"=20
  lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; =
FONT-SIZE: 10pt"=20
  lang=3DEN-US>The manufacturer of the broken H-beam rod was=20
  Scat.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; =
FONT-SIZE: 10pt"=20
  lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; =
FONT-SIZE: 10pt"=20
  lang=3DEN-US>I think next time I order an I-beam rod from=20
  Scat.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; =
FONT-SIZE: 10pt"=20
  lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; =
FONT-SIZE: 10pt"=20
  lang=3DEN-US>What do you think?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; =
FONT-SIZE: 10pt"=20
  lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; =
FONT-SIZE: 10pt"=20
  lang=3DEN-US>Cheers<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; =
FONT-SIZE: 10pt"=20
  lang=3DEN-US>Chris<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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